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Oh noes! Someone whose political beliefs differ from my own! Burn the infidel!
by masterleep 13y ago
Oh noes! Someone whose political beliefs differ from my own! Burn the infidel!
- anon1385 13y agoEich can rage as much as he likes about inter-racial marriage or homosexual marriage or single parent families or any other topic that gets social conservatives upset. Similarly, other people are free to criticise his views. Especially if he is going to choose to take on the role of being the public face for a large institution.
- twoodfin 13y agoHe didn't "rage" about anything, AFAIK. He made a donation to a political campaign that (at the time) won over a majority of voters in California. Civil society is in real trouble if we can't agree to leave passionate debates like these in the political sphere.
- ossreality 13y ago>we can't agree to leave passionate debates like these in the political sphere. Wave the "straight privilege" flag, wave it proud.
- josefresco 13y agoCivil society is in real trouble if we continue to consider these subjects "political" in nature.
- anon1385 13y agoWell he was motivated enough about the issue to make a sizeable political donation (although I will concede it's perhaps not a sizeable amount of money to a millionaire). The idea that you can have a "political sphere" and then a sterile world outside that is free of politics is just totally bizarre to me. I can't even begin to imagine what that would look like or how it would work.
- twoodfin 13y agoIt works like having neighbors who voted for the other guy (or god help them, even gave his campaign some money!) but still come over for dinner and let their kids play baseball with your kids.
- waterlesscloud 13y agoPolitics has become utterly toxic. I think part of the problem is that it's become an identity thing. That's been intentional on the part of political campaign strategists, since it helps them. It's distressing to see how successful their self-interested manipulation has been. I'm talking about this in broad terms, not any specific issue, and certainly not just this one. And it's both sides of the issues, not merely one party or the other. It's the most insidious kind of marketing there is.
- anon1385 13y agoPerhaps this is a cultural difference then. I'm not from the US. Most of my friends and family are Scottish. Politics (in the broadest sense) is typically the number one topic of discussion in most situations. From dinners with friends to family get togethers to hacker meetups. Do you never talk about politics with people who's views you disagree with? Is that just out of fear of offending them? What the hell do you talk about, the weather?
- nsmnsf 13y agoLuckily, if you live in a place where terrible people barely exist (NYC, SF, Massachusetts, etc.), it isn't really an issue. There are only a few times that I've run into an issue from just openly stating "homophobes are awful" as if it was the weather - the typical response is as if I had said "it's raining" - "well, duh". My general approach is to be glad I pissed those people off, because I now know to never associate with them again. This might be harder in, say, Texas.
- waterlesscloud 13y agoIt's possible to talk to people about politics, even those you strongly disagree with, and keep it amicable. The fact that it seems alien to people to be able to do that indicates something has gone deeply, deeply wrong with politics.
- laughinghan 13y agoI strongly disagree with Prop 8, and therefore presumably his views on gay marriage, and I believe not supporting gay marriage does obviously make him a bigoted; but for what it's worth, I haven't seen any reason to believe he's ever "raged" about any of those topics, to anyone. All I've seen is a donation to a bigoted cause (which is disappointing), and then a matter-of-fact public statement that Mozilla's mission is bigger than any one person and their political beliefs, and that he's only willing to discuss this issue in more private channels, which seems totally fair.
- leoc 13y agoYour original comment, and those defending it, didn't simply criticise Brendan Eich's views on gay marriage. If that was all they had done, we wouldn't be having this discussion. What you did was seriously suggest that those views might reasonably disqualify him from being Mozilla's CEO.
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- turing 13y agoActively working to restrict the rights of a marginalized population goes beyond simply holding a personal belief. He is free to donate to whatever anti-gay cause he wishes, but we are also free to hold him accountable for it.
- gum_ina_package 13y agoAnti-gay? He's against gay marriage, hardly being anti-gay.
- aaronbrethorst 13y agoHere's a thought experiment for you. Let's say that a black woman and a white man want to get married, but there's a law on the books that says that people of different ethnicities can't get married. Would you say that this is a racist law? Would you say that it violates the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment? Anti-miscegenation laws were deemed constitutional in the United States until 1967 when the SCOTUS ruled on the aptly named Loving v. Virginia. Today, this case is cited as precedent for overturning gay marriage bans across the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia
- humanrebar 13y agoBanning interracial marriage is ludicrous and bigoted. Also, it's not the same thing at all.
- zanny 13y agoBanning gay marriage is ludicrous and bigoted. Also, it is the same thing at all.
- humanrebar 13y agoJust because I'm succinct doesn't mean my assertions of fact are less valid than the rest of them. I'll gladly go into more detail when I feel like I'll be given a fair hearing.
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- nsmnsf 13y agoThis is not "raising taxes". This is human rights.
- humanrebar 13y agoSame goes for the abortion debate, but you can't blacklist people for disagreeing with you on abortion.
- dec0dedab0de 13y agoIts not fair to compare this with abortion. If you cut out the hyperbole and willful ignorance, both sides of the abortion debate still have compelling arguments.
- yarrel 13y agoIt's a polarizing and emotive issue that social conservatives lose their minds over. So it's a fair comparison on that basis.
- mrottenkolber 13y agoYou should though.
- debacle 13y agoIn what country or under what convention, apart from the LGBT agenda, is "marriage" classified a basic human right? Edit: I stand corrected, and learned something today.
- robin_reala 13y agoAll of Europe (under the ECHR)[1]. Worth pointing out though that this doesn’t cover gay marriage yet. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights#Article_12_-_marriage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_R...
- molecule 13y ago
- PhasmaFelis 13y agoI do wonder if you'd react the same way if he wanted to recriminalize interracial marriage.