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The Florence, Colorado Federal SuperMAX is the one of particular note. There are lots of people in there that are political prisoners locked away for no good re

The Florence, Colorado Federal SuperMAX is the one of particular note. There are lots of people in there that are political prisoners locked away for no good reason. The 21st hijacker - Zacarius Moussaoui - is a case in point. He had nothing to do with 9/11 yet during an early turf war between government departments vying for the money that went with The War Against Terror he got pretty much framed. He had over-stayed his visa and done nothing of harm to anyone, yet someone had to be scape-goated by the State Department. There are plenty more 'suspected al-qaeda' locked away there, with conditions every bit as bad as Guantanamo, yet locked up purely so that once upon a time a President could have some orange terror alert pushing everything else out of the news headlines for a couple of days. Sure there are the psychos that tried to kill prison staff elsewhere in the system that get the SuperMAX treatment, however, the Florence facility is too much like the Tower of London dungeons as used in medieval times.

bpodgursky 13y ago
Just to save everyone else the time I spent reading wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui), there is no question that Zacarius: (1) knew about the plans for 9/11, although he wasn't selected to participate in that attack (2) was planning a separate attack via plane on the white house, but was arrested first (3) was taking flying classes to prepare for that attack This is tangental to the quite valid original article, but claiming that Zacarus was "framed" is an enormous distortion of the facts.
- Theodores 13y ago
  Here is another Wikipedia article for your enjoyment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hubert http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hubert Given how quickly you responded to my original post and given that you responded with a link to a Wikipedia article to which you bullet-pointed-out your mere opinions, I suggest you think before you post on subjects that you have no knowledge of.
  - hueving 13y ago
    >mere opinions, I suggest you think before you post on subjects that you have no knowledge of. Personal attack based on no evidence. Until you fix it, I'm going to assume your response was an emotional outburst based on a failure to construct a strong counter-point. I feel it's appropriate, given that it's about the same level of intellectual engagement you afforded the response to your post.
serf 13y ago
> There are plenty more 'suspected al-qaeda' locked away there, with conditions every bit as bad as Guantanamo Really? I've read that they participate in force-feeding, but I have read that the facilities themselves are top-notch, designed to oppress and create mental turmoil perhaps, but top-notch as far as maintenance/security/sterility. Surely ADX Florence doesn't house minors, or the uncharged, or participate in water-boarding as an additional form of torture atop the solitary confinement? How about sexual degradation and sleep deprivation? How about some old-fashioned under-the-sun exposure-interrogation? If ADX Florence is truly as bad as 'gitmo' and somehow flew under everyones radar for so long, then I now have a new target for my ire towards the treatment of prisoners.

bpodgursky 13y ago

Just to save everyone else the time I spent reading wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui), there is no question that Zacarius: (1) knew about the plans for 9/11, although he wasn't selected to participate in that attack (2) was planning a separate attack via plane on the white house, but was arrested first (3) was taking flying classes to prepare for that attack This is tangental to the quite valid original article, but claiming that Zacarus was "framed" is an enormous distortion of the facts.

Theodores 13y ago
Here is another Wikipedia article for your enjoyment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hubert http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hubert Given how quickly you responded to my original post and given that you responded with a link to a Wikipedia article to which you bullet-pointed-out your mere opinions, I suggest you think before you post on subjects that you have no knowledge of.
- hueving 13y ago
  >mere opinions, I suggest you think before you post on subjects that you have no knowledge of. Personal attack based on no evidence. Until you fix it, I'm going to assume your response was an emotional outburst based on a failure to construct a strong counter-point. I feel it's appropriate, given that it's about the same level of intellectual engagement you afforded the response to your post.

serf 13y ago

> There are plenty more 'suspected al-qaeda' locked away there, with conditions every bit as bad as Guantanamo Really? I've read that they participate in force-feeding, but I have read that the facilities themselves are top-notch, designed to oppress and create mental turmoil perhaps, but top-notch as far as maintenance/security/sterility. Surely ADX Florence doesn't house minors, or the uncharged, or participate in water-boarding as an additional form of torture atop the solitary confinement? How about sexual degradation and sleep deprivation? How about some old-fashioned under-the-sun exposure-interrogation? If ADX Florence is truly as bad as 'gitmo' and somehow flew under everyones radar for so long, then I now have a new target for my ire towards the treatment of prisoners.