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It isn't. Especially not when they did this first : http://www.ibtimes.com/microsoft-rips-email-snooping-google-outlook-any-more-private-gmail-1094118 http://w
by waps 13y ago
It isn't. Especially not when they did this first :
http://www.ibtimes.com/microsoft-rips-email-snooping-google-outlook-any-more-private-gmail-1094118 http://www.ibtimes.com/microsoft-rips-email-snooping-google-...
- ntakasaki 13y agoFrom your own link >“Outlook.com does not go through the contents of your sent and received email messages in order to display targeted ads. ... Outlook.com does not go through the contents of your incoming email from other email service for the purpose of targeting ads. ... Outlook.com does not go through the contents of your entire inbox for the purpose of targeting ads.” Google does all of the above, are you claiming there is no difference between the two services? The new lawsuit against Google for building profiles of children using its free Google Apps for Education service has even more info: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/17/google-data-mining-students_n_4980422.html?ir=Technology http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/17/google-data-mining-... >A Google spokeswoman confirmed to Education Week that the company “scans and indexes” the emails of all Apps for Education users for a variety of purposes, including potential advertising, via automated processes that cannot be turned off--even for Apps for Education customers who elect not to receive ads.
- Dylan16807 13y agoThe problem is they criticize google while doing something far more invasive than letting robots look for keywords.
- fleitz 13y agoGoogle has the exact same wording in their EULA: http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ "protect against harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, our users or the public as required or permitted by law."
- Dylan16807 13y agoWell that's bad of google but doesn't improve microsoft's argument. If anything they becomes more hypocritical because "why isn't microsoft criticizing that part....oh"
- corin_ 13y agoThey become more hypocritical for not criticising about something they do themselves?
- Dylan16807 13y agoThe lowest tier of being hypocritical is criticising all of google's failings when they have related but different failings. The medium tier is criticising all of google's failings does except for what they also do. The highest tier is criticising google for something they also do. I thought they were at the low tier, but they're actually at the medium tier. So 'more'.
- corin_ 13y agoSorry but I completely disagree, by not criticising Google for doing something they do themselves they are literally not being hypocritical, by definition. You can still criticise them for the situation, just not with that word. You can still call them hypocritical for the overall situation too, just not by picking out a specific narrow case where they have avoided being hypocritical.
- Dylan16807 13y agoThey did not perform the actions google did, but the criticism they made of google's actions could be applied to their actions too. They claimed a high ground on the issue of privacy. They have no such high ground. This is hypocrisy.
- ewoodrich 13y agoI don't think that makes any sense. If I criticize someone for talking loudly during class, and I haven't talked at all, that wouldn't be hypocritical, even if we were both browsing Facebook or something.
- stingraycharles 13y agoThere is nothing limiting them from doing so. Just because they behave like this today doesn't mean they will still do so tomorrow. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they already did so today. It wouldn't be the first time marketing saying something the technicians don't agree with. :)
- mlieberman85 13y agoFalse equivalence. Microsoft doesn't snoop every single email hoping to protect their property. This was a very controlled situation.
- waps 13y agoI am not saying it's equivalent. I'm just saying it's hypocritical in the extreme. When it comes to "automated process goes through my email to decide which soda to offer me" ... I am not pleased, but not very worried. My bank does worse. When it comes to "people go through my and other people's email to decide who to sue for what without legal oversight" that hits an 11 on the WTF scale. I will NEVER trust Microsoft with one iota of my data again. They proved here that they will use it against me if it serves their business interest, or just snoop through it if they don't understand how something happened. At least the NSA claims they snoop through my email to "protect America". Microsoft clearly goes through my email to improve Microsofts bottom line. It wasn't even an employee's email they went through. It was an external hotmail customer that trusted them with this email. This is akin to your bank going through the documents in your safe then use the found information to wire money to the Bank's CEO. This is way, way over the red line. If they did this with physical mail, the minimum punishment for whoever in Microsoft did this would include jail time. We should have the same regulation for email.
- rbanffy 13y agoWrong. Google hands your email to software agents that select ads you are most likely interested to see. Microsoft hands your email to lawyers who will later sue you.
- ntakasaki 13y agohttp://gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-chats http://gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-tee...
- rbanffy 13y agoDid Google management order him to look into that data searching for something Google management wanted? No. Was he fired for that? Yes.