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Firefox 28 Release Notes
- MLR 13y agoIs Australis due out in the next version? Had swapped back to using the default version from nightly in anticipation, but it seems that was a bit premature on my part.
- Siecje 13y agoIt goes Nightly -> Aurora -> Beta -> Release
- cpeterso 13y agoYes. Australis will ship in Firefox 29, which will be pushed to the Firefox Beta channel this week: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Release_Tracking#Almost_Definitely_in_Firefox_29 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Release_Tracking#Almost_De...
- Kudos 13y agoYes, it's due with 29.
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- af3 13y agoFirefox 29 hits the beta, that means MacOs users get tabs in title line, finally!
- tachion 13y agoThat makes me wiling to try Firefox again, since amongst the Safari/Chrome/Firefox it was the browser that consumed most vertical space, which is an issue on mobile (less than 15") laptops - at least for me.
- st3fan 13y agoGive it a try .. it looks great in OS X native full screen mode.
- reidrac 13y agoWell, there's also stuff that you can't see in the "release notes". I found that Firefox 27 had huge speed improvements in canvas 2D compared to Firefox 26, at least in Linux without hardware accelerated canvas. I couldn't find anything related to that in 27's release notes, sooo (still happy though!).
- aroch 13y agoIn case you're curious: http://arewefastyet.com/ http://arewefastyet.com/ https://areweslimyet.com/ https://areweslimyet.com/
- twoodfin 13y agoAny idea why the "slim" numbers are moving steadily in the wrong direction?
- agapos 13y agoChanges in browser engine and method/elaboration in memory measurement. And possibly a lot of regressions... Problem is, this does not convince Average Joe about the slimness of Fx. I asked them to set up a main chart using only the stable ones with the latest changes (allocation), but it was ignored. IMHO that would help them see the what the end user would see over the long course, and A. Joe would see what actually effects him (as he is unlikely to use dev channels). Edit: the charts also do not show the improvements in Garbage Collection (IGC in Fx16, upcoming ICC and GGC) and the memory management with add-os (Hueyfix in Fx15).
- mccr8 13y agoTiny regressions are hard to track down, but over time they add up.
- woogle 13y agoI'm wondering too. FF13 seems the best with "slim" numbers.
- aroch 13y ago
- SimeVidas 13y agoMulti-line flexbox. FINALLY! I shall drink champagne today.
- davidgerard 13y ago9007199254740992 running in "random" mode with 0ms delay is still way faster in Chromium 32 than in Firefox 28. http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b01902112/9007199254740992/ http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b01902112/9007199254740992/
- gorhill 13y agoSame there (try 10000 sites, click "Benchmark"): http://www.raymondhill.net/voronoi/rhill-voronoi-demo1.html http://www.raymondhill.net/voronoi/rhill-voronoi-demo1.html The difference has narrowed though, FF used to be much, much slower than chromium.
- bzbarsky 13y agoI can definitely see a difference on this one, yes, about 30%. A question. Does "rendering not included" mean not including painting times, or not including the canvas API call times either? My profiler is showing a bunch of fill(), rect(), stroke(), moveTo() calls dominating the wall-clock time, but I'm not sure whether those are what's being measured here or not.
- gorhill 13y agoThat benchmark measures only the computation of the whole diagram -- which is the sole purpose of the library. The rendering, if any, is left to the caller after the diagram has been wholly computed, so there was no point for me to measure that part.
- bzbarsky 13y agoGotcha. I filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=985262 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=985262 on this; if there happens to be a standalone version of this benchmark that skips all the canvas stuff that would be pretty helpful.
- bzbarsky 13y agoHmm. I see about the same thing with Chrome 35 dev and Firefox (28 or nightly) on Mac here, performance wise.
- manojit 13y agoLooking for Firefox 29 beta. And nice to see that VP9 implemented in Stable release.
- dedosk 13y agoWhy Firefox removes spdy/2 support? They don't want to support spdy/2 servers? Why? PS: I'm not expert on servers :)
- Spittie 13y agoIt got discontinued, and Chrome dropped it as well. Both support the newer SPDY/3.1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY#Protocol_versions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY#Protocol_versions https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=912550 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=912550 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=303957 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=303957
- josteink 13y agoWhile all browsers support http 1.0 websites almost three decades later. Spdy really shows how fast people are willing to put immature technology in production as long as Google claims it better. Amazing. What's even wise is the attitude towards abandoning published protocols and contracts. This is not how a lasting and stable internet was built. This clearly shows why spdy can't be a candidate for http 2.0
- mikhailt 13y agoDude, you are comparing two entirely different things and no, it doesn't clearly show anything. Spdy is not an established standard, it's an experimental protocol developed by Google to improve the transmission of data on top of HTTP. So yes, it is normal to have Google and Firefox drop the older versions to push forward on the iterations, it's an experiment to see how they can improve Spdy and in the end, how HTTP 2.0 can benefit from those results. It is more irresponsible to keep and use an older experimental protocol that nobody will use. HTTP 1.0 is an established standard agreed by everybody and that's why it hasn't changed in 30 years, something Spdy is not. HTTP 2.0 working group is already establishing majority of Spdy's experiment results as a working draft for HTTP 2.0.
- wmf 13y agoSPDY was an experimental protocol that's only used by evergreen browsers and servers, so there's no need for backwards compatibility.
- enscr 13y agoEagerly waiting to ditch Chrome & its forced notifications. Perhaps with Australis (Firefox 29), the UI would be at par. Edit : Chrome feels subtle, lighter & perceptually faster (specifically : tabs, scrollbars). Although after updating Firefox today, I can notice that there's improvement in Firefox.
- k-mcgrady 13y agoOne major (okay maybe not that major but an important factor in my decision) issue for me with Australis is the separate boxes for URLs and search. Every other browser merged them and I don't know of any reason to keep them separate - is there one?
- nirvdrum 13y agoIt's admittedly a corner case, but I've searched phrases that contain URLs and have had them get treated as a URL rather than search phrase in Chrome. In that case, I just drop to google.com and issue the search from there.
- fournm 13y agoI actually run into this one (or its opposite, a URL getting treated as a search) fairly frequently, which is pretty annoying every time.
- pgeorgi 13y agoctrl-k works as "go to search box" in both browsers. For Chrome, that means focussing on the address bar and presetting it to "? ".
- nirvdrum 13y agoNifty. That would certainly do the trick. Thanks!
- sp332 13y agoIf you prefix your query with a ? it will be sent to your default search provider instead.
- pornel 13y agoIs VP9 supported by all WebM-supporting browsers now? (i.e. is it feasible to completely drop VP8 and use VP9 instead?)
- padenot 13y agoThe vp9 ncoders are too slow for this to be praticable.
- Siecje 13y agoFirefox should allow you to type "45/3" in the address bar and be taken to Google with the calculation.
- mbel 13y agoIt does, when you prepend "google " in front of "45/3", which is in my opinion the best solution (I don't want to route all my URLs through google).
- sp332 13y agoYou can prepend it with just ? and it will go to your default search engine.
- doublextremevil 13y agotry it with a space, like "45/ 3" and it works
- Siecje 13y agoThanks, that works!
- polshaw 13y agoIf you type "45/3=" into the search bar and it will return the result without having to load the google page.
- Sir_Cmpwn 13y agoSuper excited about better codec spread. What do they mean by volume control, though? We've been able to control the volume of HTML5 video/audio for a while now. Edit: here's a comparison of the audio UI between versions: https://mediacru.sh/2528762308f7 https://mediacru.sh/2528762308f7, looks butt-ugly imo
- padenot 13y agoNot in <audio> default controls in Firefox. <video> had it, though.
- bzbarsky 13y agoThere was no UI for it in the default browser controls for the <audio> element. Compare http://cs.iupui.edu/~aharris/n351/notes09/HTML5AudioDemo.html http://cs.iupui.edu/~aharris/n351/notes09/HTML5AudioDemo.htm... in Firefox 27 and Firefox 28, for example. The relnote is presumably talking about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649490 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649490
- erichurkman 13y agoSee also: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/28 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/28 And: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/28/Site_Compatibility https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/28/Site... They have more detailed information than the release notes.
- wbond 13y agoInteresting to see that now the current stable versions of Chrome and Firefox have dropped spdy/2, which is the only version of spdy supported by the current stable version of nginx. And nginx is the server used by more than 90% of hosts supporting spdy[1]. I presume this means it is mostly a Google/Twitter/Cloudflare thing for now since they seem to all be running spdy/3.1 in production. [1] http://w3techs.com/technologies/segmentation/ce-spdy/web_server http://w3techs.com/technologies/segmentation/ce-spdy/web_ser...
- bad_user 13y agoI don't think people that are running Nginx with spdy are doing so with the stable version. I started using spdy back when it was a patch you had to manually apply, before compiling Nginx.
- wbond 13y agoCount me as one of those people who doesn't like to have to work around backwards compatibility breaks when installing security patches on production servers. :-) (edit: clarified wording)
- marcosdumay 13y agoThere's always HTTP 1.1 available for the people that don't want the burdein of being on the leading edge (yep, I'm on that team). Anyway, doesn't spdy/2 have a huge security flaw in certificate management? I don't remember it well. If that's the case, it's good that they droped it.
- peedy 13y agoThese days you just have compile it with --with-http_spdy_module in configure step. (for the current 1.4.6-stable). We were about to go into production but will hold it off. Also the current mainline 1.5 version has implementation of spdy/3.
- sp332 13y agoChrome has also dropped support for SPDY/2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY#Protocol_versions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY#Protocol_versions
- 3rd3 13y agoI wouldn’t mind if this was just version 27.1.
- vesinisa 13y agoIncludes important security fixes for vuln's disclosed at Pwn2Own, like this arbitrary heap write from JS: https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2014/mfsa2014-31.html https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2014/mfsa2014-31.h...
- RenierZA 13y ago<input type=number> didn't make it in?
- agapos 13y agohttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/28 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/28 "< input type=color > and < input type=number > have been implemented, disabled by default."
- alexcroox 13y agoOSX notifications are going to be great for our internal web apps!
- unhammer 13y agoFor other desktops, there is this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gnotifier/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gnotifier/
- 0x006A 13y agoTo go along with this release, I just pushed out a new version of Firefogg (https://firefogg.org https://firefogg.org) with support for creating WebM VP9/Opus videos.
- mrinterweb 13y agoFrom what I can tell about the exploits found at Pwn2Own, there were a total of 4 critical. Looks like FF28 addresses all 4. That was a very quick turnaround. The fact that FF runs in a single process seems to be a major security issue since the web views are not sandboxed. I know Mozilla is working on their multiprocess project Electrolysis https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis that is experimental in FF 30. Hopefully, this project will help harden FF security.
- ris 13y ago"The fact that FF runs in a single process seems to be a major security issue since the web views are not sandboxed." Only to people who don't really understand security. This whole "multi process" "sandboxed" meme started by chrome guys has really got out of hand.
- mrinterweb 13y agoI suppose I was mislead by the mozilla wiki link I posted which states at the top "The goal of the project is to run web content in a separate process from Firefox itself. The two major advantages of this model are security and performance. Security would improve because the content processes could be sandboxed"
- ris 13y agoThe effect is overstated & overrepeated, especially with facilities like e.g. ptrace being available to processes on linux
- fulafel 13y agoNo, ptrace() is not available to Chrome's sandboxed processes. Not in the SUID sandbox and not in the BPF seccomp sandbox. This stuff is described at http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxSandboxing http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxSandboxing - if after reading that you still don't think it provides a significant additional layer of security, it would be interesting to hear what flaws you see.
- yuchi 13y agoI’ll say it once. Multi. Line. Flex. Box.
- sandstrom 13y agoMulti-line flexbox is finally in!
- jorgebarba 13y agoAnyone have issues using Tweetdeck on Firefox 28? I get a scripting error, and it won't load it!
- joaomsa 13y agoWhat's OpenSearch on mobile? Can we finally add custom search providers like desktop version from http://mycroftproject.com/ http://mycroftproject.com/. It really seems to be an odd exclusion since sync takes care of everything else.
- blueskin_ 13y agoLast version before they ruin their UI with Australis. Best way to delay the pain (and that of their general too-frequent breakage) is to switch to the ESR version: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/ , which should give enough time for addon writers to undo the australis damage.
- CGudapati 13y agoCome on. It's not that bad. I know design is a subjective thing, but calling it a disaster is a bit too much, IMO.
- blueskin_ 13y agoI wouldn't care if they made it an option so people could choose "I want a chrome clone that doesn't violate my privacy" and get the chrome-ified UI, or choose either the 'Firefox menu' Office 2007-ish one, or the classic interface. Instead, they removed just about every customisability-related feature they could.
- SquareWheel 13y agoSpent 45 minutes playing with it after reading your comment and I absolutely love the new UI. Everything is so much more fluid and intuitive. The dev tools especially. It might turn off some Firefox users but I really dig it.
- blueskin_ 13y agoImproved dev tools are a separate issue to removing every customisability option they could (small icons, status bar, the fscking ability to reorder toolbar items...)