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Usually, when I use google I look for english content, even though I live in a spanish-speaking country. It really bugs me when I go to google.com and get redir

by nico 17y ago

Usually, when I use google I look for english content, even though I live in a spanish-speaking country. It really bugs me when I go to google.com and get redirected to the local version. It bothers me not only because I'm looking for english content, but because Google localizes search results yielding a lot of unrelated or not so relevant stuff.

jacquesm 17y ago
I do exactly the same. My reason is simple, most of the information that I use on a daily basis is simply not available in my native language. So why bother with it at all, simply search in English, 99% chance to score in one or two searches. If those really don't work the chances of finding it in my native language are practically nil. The only exceptions for this are local news and information about hardware that has been customized on a per country basis (HP does a lot of this).
- Huppie 17y ago
  Now, for both you and Nico... ask yourself whether you (as a 'Hacker') are representative for 'most internet users in your country'. I think a website should be easiest in use for the biggest group of users. As for me: I can get annoyed by behaviour like this but I'll always remind myself I'm not a 'regular internet user'. As for most people I know: A lot have a dutch localization for windows and a dutch localization for Firefox/Chrome/IE. Quite a few (about 30%) have an english localization for their browsers (either because they have an english localization for windows or because they like 'consistent menus across all applications'. I do agree with the author that geolocation should not be the first choice (cookies should be) but as a second choice it's better than the 'Accept-Language' header.
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    I think there is a difference in targetting the UI to the browser settings of the user and displaying different content. I'm all for the first but really do not like the second. And no, I'm probably not representative, but then again, everybody is a 'niche of one'. That's why I'm all for empowering the user.
    - Huppie 17y ago
      I'm all in for empowering the user too, but then again, it's all about the defaults. In my experience power users find features like the 'change language button' a lot faster and easier than the average user. Even the tiny flags in the top-right corner of most websites go unnoticed for most people.
  - mariorz 17y ago
    A 'regular internet user' doesn't even bother with the settings and/or is probably unaware of localization of search results. This doesn't mean she wouldn't get better results by searching without localization (assuming she's an english speaker). What's worst is google for some reason changes back the settings to localized at what appear to be random intervals. The only definite working solution I've found is to use a US IP address to proxy from.
    - trezor 17y ago
      I made a web-based proxy for that when I finally got too fed up with that. Has a own open-search provider too. http://googlealready.com/ http://googlealready.com/ (plug) These days I use bing though, but that service is still online.
  - nico 17y ago
    You are right, I'm probably not representative of most internet users in my country, but my OS and browser are in English, so it would be easy for Google to pick that up (or my cookies) and act accordingly, instead of redirecting me to the local version.
    - FooBarWidget 17y ago
      I don't think that works. Lots of people use a pirated OS. In Asia 99% of the people are using a pirated Windows, sometimes in English. One of the software I've developed in the past auto-selects the user interface language based on Windows's own language. There had been at least one incident in which a customer complained about this; he was Filipino but was using a pirated Arabian Windows XP.
scott_s 17y ago
You can probably get around this by going to google.us instead of google.com. Assuming, of course, that you want US-specific content.
pogos 17y ago
use http://www.google.com/ncr http://www.google.com/ncr instead.
- slig 17y ago
  'ncr' means non country redirect. So you can remember easily.
  - deleted 17y ago
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  - huhtenberg 17y ago
    I doubt it means that because, for example, it doesn't work from Canada. It still redirects to google.ca.
    - Evgeny 17y ago
      Works for Australia though for some reason.
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- nico 17y ago
  Thanks, whenever I get redirected to a local version of Google, I use that link, it's placed at the bottom right of localized Google home as "Google.com in English".
- oliverkofoed 17y ago
  Thank you.

by nico 17y ago

jacquesm 17y ago

I do exactly the same. My reason is simple, most of the information that I use on a daily basis is simply not available in my native language. So why bother with it at all, simply search in English, 99% chance to score in one or two searches. If those really don't work the chances of finding it in my native language are practically nil. The only exceptions for this are local news and information about hardware that has been customized on a per country basis (HP does a lot of this).

Huppie 17y ago
Now, for both you and Nico... ask yourself whether you (as a 'Hacker') are representative for 'most internet users in your country'. I think a website should be easiest in use for the biggest group of users. As for me: I can get annoyed by behaviour like this but I'll always remind myself I'm not a 'regular internet user'. As for most people I know: A lot have a dutch localization for windows and a dutch localization for Firefox/Chrome/IE. Quite a few (about 30%) have an english localization for their browsers (either because they have an english localization for windows or because they like 'consistent menus across all applications'. I do agree with the author that geolocation should not be the first choice (cookies should be) but as a second choice it's better than the 'Accept-Language' header.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  I think there is a difference in targetting the UI to the browser settings of the user and displaying different content. I'm all for the first but really do not like the second. And no, I'm probably not representative, but then again, everybody is a 'niche of one'. That's why I'm all for empowering the user.
  - Huppie 17y ago
    I'm all in for empowering the user too, but then again, it's all about the defaults. In my experience power users find features like the 'change language button' a lot faster and easier than the average user. Even the tiny flags in the top-right corner of most websites go unnoticed for most people.
- mariorz 17y ago
  A 'regular internet user' doesn't even bother with the settings and/or is probably unaware of localization of search results. This doesn't mean she wouldn't get better results by searching without localization (assuming she's an english speaker). What's worst is google for some reason changes back the settings to localized at what appear to be random intervals. The only definite working solution I've found is to use a US IP address to proxy from.
  - trezor 17y ago
    I made a web-based proxy for that when I finally got too fed up with that. Has a own open-search provider too. http://googlealready.com/ http://googlealready.com/ (plug) These days I use bing though, but that service is still online.
- nico 17y ago
  You are right, I'm probably not representative of most internet users in my country, but my OS and browser are in English, so it would be easy for Google to pick that up (or my cookies) and act accordingly, instead of redirecting me to the local version.
  - FooBarWidget 17y ago
    I don't think that works. Lots of people use a pirated OS. In Asia 99% of the people are using a pirated Windows, sometimes in English. One of the software I've developed in the past auto-selects the user interface language based on Windows's own language. There had been at least one incident in which a customer complained about this; he was Filipino but was using a pirated Arabian Windows XP.

scott_s 17y ago

You can probably get around this by going to google.us instead of google.com. Assuming, of course, that you want US-specific content.

pogos 17y ago

use http://www.google.com/ncr http://www.google.com/ncr instead.

slig 17y ago
'ncr' means non country redirect. So you can remember easily.
- deleted 17y ago
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- huhtenberg 17y ago
  I doubt it means that because, for example, it doesn't work from Canada. It still redirects to google.ca.
  - Evgeny 17y ago
    Works for Australia though for some reason.
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nico 17y ago
Thanks, whenever I get redirected to a local version of Google, I use that link, it's placed at the bottom right of localized Google home as "Google.com in English".
oliverkofoed 17y ago
Thank you.