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Your final remark is rather callous for someone whose job, presumably, is to educate and connect with students. Perhaps ironically, it seems to reinforce the po

by nilkn 13y ago

Your final remark is rather callous for someone whose job, presumably, is to educate and connect with students. Perhaps ironically, it seems to reinforce the point I was making--that withholding existing resources which are trivially and by their nature redistributable from students is disrespectful. Saying "if you don't like the terms of the deal, you can choose not to take the class" really isn't helping your case.

timr 13y ago
"Saying "if you don't like the terms of the deal, you can choose not to take the class" really isn't helping your case." This may come as a surprise to people of a certain age, but the instructor's job is not to appease you. It is not "disrespectful" to ask you to do some work in class. If the instructor believes that you'll learn more effectively by taking notes (and yes, most students will), they're entitled to do anything they wish to make that happen. It's their classroom, not yours. If you want someone to coddle your unique snowflake needs, pay for a tutor. No one is chaining you to a desk. But hey...I do love the sense of indignant consumer entitlement ("your job is to make me happy!"), coupled with the sense of absolute helplessness ("you can't possibly ask me to choose a different product!"). It really defines the current generation of students.
- mindcrime 13y ago
  This may come as a surprise to people of a certain age, but the instructor's job is not to appease you. True, but totally unrelated to the text you quoted from the parent post above. * If the instructor believes that you'll learn more effectively by taking notes (and yes, most students will), they're entitled to do anything they wish to make that happen* Including beating you with a metal chain and depriving you of food and water? It's their classroom, not yours. If you want someone to coddle your unique snowflake needs, pay for a tutor. No one is chaining you to a desk. It's all a question of perspective. When I've taught, I've always tried to keep in mind that not everyone learns the same way, learns at the same rate, or needs the same inputs. But if I, as an instructor, want everyone to learn (and I do) then it is incumbent on me to, within reason, adapt to the needs of the individuals in the room. But hey...I do love the sense of indignant consumer entitlement ("your job is to make me happy!"), coupled with the sense of absolute helplessness ("you can't possibly ask me to choose a different product!"). It really defines the current generation of students. Bah... people have been making comments like this about "the current generation of students" for probably as long as their have been students. And students have been complaining (rightly) that some teachers are terrible teachers and/or terrible human beings, for as long as there have been students and teachers. Nothing has changed.
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by nilkn 13y ago

timr 13y ago

"Saying "if you don't like the terms of the deal, you can choose not to take the class" really isn't helping your case." This may come as a surprise to people of a certain age, but the instructor's job is not to appease you. It is not "disrespectful" to ask you to do some work in class. If the instructor believes that you'll learn more effectively by taking notes (and yes, most students will), they're entitled to do anything they wish to make that happen. It's their classroom, not yours. If you want someone to coddle your unique snowflake needs, pay for a tutor. No one is chaining you to a desk. But hey...I do love the sense of indignant consumer entitlement ("your job is to make me happy!"), coupled with the sense of absolute helplessness ("you can't possibly ask me to choose a different product!"). It really defines the current generation of students.

mindcrime 13y ago
This may come as a surprise to people of a certain age, but the instructor's job is not to appease you. True, but totally unrelated to the text you quoted from the parent post above. * If the instructor believes that you'll learn more effectively by taking notes (and yes, most students will), they're entitled to do anything they wish to make that happen* Including beating you with a metal chain and depriving you of food and water? It's their classroom, not yours. If you want someone to coddle your unique snowflake needs, pay for a tutor. No one is chaining you to a desk. It's all a question of perspective. When I've taught, I've always tried to keep in mind that not everyone learns the same way, learns at the same rate, or needs the same inputs. But if I, as an instructor, want everyone to learn (and I do) then it is incumbent on me to, within reason, adapt to the needs of the individuals in the room. But hey...I do love the sense of indignant consumer entitlement ("your job is to make me happy!"), coupled with the sense of absolute helplessness ("you can't possibly ask me to choose a different product!"). It really defines the current generation of students. Bah... people have been making comments like this about "the current generation of students" for probably as long as their have been students. And students have been complaining (rightly) that some teachers are terrible teachers and/or terrible human beings, for as long as there have been students and teachers. Nothing has changed.
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