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>Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the

by deveac 13y ago

>Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. This reduces distraction. You have to remember to take into account human behavior. In the real world, people get into their vehicle and use their phone's map application, as well as text, phone, and music applications. Not only do they do this, they do it in overwhelming numbers. This product takes common behavior that people engage in (and will continue to), and makes it safer and less confusing to engage in while driving. Vehicles have knobs and touch-screens now. This tech doesn't change that dynamic, -it works with the UI elements already present in order to reduce fumbling around with your phone and tiny touch-targets on your mobile device. >2) Self-driving cars cannot come fast enough, and every single innovation in the car industry that does not go towards electric self driving cars is just useless fluff at this point. That's besides the point. They aren't here yet, and they won't be in the immediate future. Making driving safer in the meantime isn't fluff. > there is no room for caring about the feelings of greedy old white men. What a terrible, low-value comment to make in this forum.

shas3 13y ago
A good compromise on distractions and 'more inputs' is voice-based UI. Honestly, car companies and OEMs must be focusing on better voice-based UIs for cars rather than distracting touch screens. The Sync system in Ford cars is a well-intentioned example that doesn't work that well.
- woobar 13y ago
  My pet peeve with Sync is they disable navigation input via touch screen when car is moving. Even when a passenger tries to enter it. Instead they force the driver to use their clunky voice-recognition to do this. Which is much more distracting. But this is a minor quip compared to how MS implemented Sync Services. It's 2014 and they use a voice(!) line from a pre-registered cell phone to connect to their services.
- kolinko 13y ago
  That's a very American way of thinking about things. I assume you're American (or British), because voice-based systems are nearly useless for non-native english speakers. I'm a fluent english speaker, but due to my non-american accent, and the fact that my language is not one of the top 10 used in the world I still cannot operate Siri (or other voice systems) properly, and the dictation feature is nearly useless to me.
  - shas3 13y ago
    I'm a heavily accented non-American, non-British (though I can claim English is my native language since it's been my language of instruction since Kindergarten). Google's voice recognition system, and of late, Siri both work fine for me. Sync, iPhone 'voice control', etc. are next to useless. In certain cases, I've tried to adapt. For example, my immediate family, rather than have their names or what I call them in my other native language, I've named them using common English words. So I can just say "Call Dad", and the speech recognition system works. When I say that OEMs and auto-makers should work on improving voice recognition systems, I mean the entire processing system: sound acquisition, signal conditioning, and machine-learning based speech recognition.
ed209 13y ago
In 2011, 3,331 people were killed in crashes involving a distracted driver. 3,267 in 2010. [1] When you say "This reduces distraction." you mean compared to holding the phone and doing those actions, right? The way I would account for human behavior is to intelligently disable certain functionality as the car is moving. Compared to someone else's life, how important is that text message? Even dictating a text message takes some cognitive load. Let's not mix the word "safer" and "distracted driving". [1] http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/ http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
- btown 13y ago
  If you intelligently disable in-car functionality (such as GPS when the car is moving), people will reach for another device to get that functionality. It's naive to think that constraints will automatically change users' desires.
  - ed209 13y ago
    I believe Apple is sending out the wrong signal about driving+other activities at the same time. Sure, people have already picked up bad habits, but that makes it ok to encourage that behavior if they are going to do it anyway? Maybe Apple does make certain activities less dangerous, but it's still making access to distractions easier and I think that's a bad thing.
- deveac 13y ago
  >The way I would account for human behavior is to intelligently disable certain functionality as the car is moving. Compared to someone else's life, how important is that text message? Thereby ensuring a situation where the person takes their eyes off the road and looks at their seat for their phone, picks it up, and starts reading and replying to texts while barreling down the road in a high velocity chunk of steel. That's what happens now. Apple's technology aims to prevent that. >Even dictating a text message takes some cognitive load. Yes it does. It also is much safer than doing it on your phone as people can and will continue to do, even in states where it is illegal. Apple isn't a legislature. They can't tackle unsafe driver behavior by crafting laws, but they can do so via software offerings.
Shivetya 13y ago
From personal experience, a fixed location screen; my dash; is more distracting than my phone which can be moved into my line of sight. That out of the way, my VW will duplicate much of what appears on the nav screen into a small display between the speedometer and tachometer. Having used a few heads up displays in cars I am not if I really want to go that route. Still, when moving the car should be displaying relevant information only. I would much rather have a talking car than one trying to show me
adventured 13y ago
It's worse than low value, it's flat-out racist.

by deveac 13y ago

shas3 13y ago

A good compromise on distractions and 'more inputs' is voice-based UI. Honestly, car companies and OEMs must be focusing on better voice-based UIs for cars rather than distracting touch screens. The Sync system in Ford cars is a well-intentioned example that doesn't work that well.

woobar 13y ago
My pet peeve with Sync is they disable navigation input via touch screen when car is moving. Even when a passenger tries to enter it. Instead they force the driver to use their clunky voice-recognition to do this. Which is much more distracting. But this is a minor quip compared to how MS implemented Sync Services. It's 2014 and they use a voice(!) line from a pre-registered cell phone to connect to their services.
kolinko 13y ago
That's a very American way of thinking about things. I assume you're American (or British), because voice-based systems are nearly useless for non-native english speakers. I'm a fluent english speaker, but due to my non-american accent, and the fact that my language is not one of the top 10 used in the world I still cannot operate Siri (or other voice systems) properly, and the dictation feature is nearly useless to me.
- shas3 13y ago
  I'm a heavily accented non-American, non-British (though I can claim English is my native language since it's been my language of instruction since Kindergarten). Google's voice recognition system, and of late, Siri both work fine for me. Sync, iPhone 'voice control', etc. are next to useless. In certain cases, I've tried to adapt. For example, my immediate family, rather than have their names or what I call them in my other native language, I've named them using common English words. So I can just say "Call Dad", and the speech recognition system works. When I say that OEMs and auto-makers should work on improving voice recognition systems, I mean the entire processing system: sound acquisition, signal conditioning, and machine-learning based speech recognition.

ed209 13y ago

In 2011, 3,331 people were killed in crashes involving a distracted driver. 3,267 in 2010. [1] When you say "This reduces distraction." you mean compared to holding the phone and doing those actions, right? The way I would account for human behavior is to intelligently disable certain functionality as the car is moving. Compared to someone else's life, how important is that text message? Even dictating a text message takes some cognitive load. Let's not mix the word "safer" and "distracted driving". [1] http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/ http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/

btown 13y ago
If you intelligently disable in-car functionality (such as GPS when the car is moving), people will reach for another device to get that functionality. It's naive to think that constraints will automatically change users' desires.
- ed209 13y ago
  I believe Apple is sending out the wrong signal about driving+other activities at the same time. Sure, people have already picked up bad habits, but that makes it ok to encourage that behavior if they are going to do it anyway? Maybe Apple does make certain activities less dangerous, but it's still making access to distractions easier and I think that's a bad thing.
deveac 13y ago
>The way I would account for human behavior is to intelligently disable certain functionality as the car is moving. Compared to someone else's life, how important is that text message? Thereby ensuring a situation where the person takes their eyes off the road and looks at their seat for their phone, picks it up, and starts reading and replying to texts while barreling down the road in a high velocity chunk of steel. That's what happens now. Apple's technology aims to prevent that. >Even dictating a text message takes some cognitive load. Yes it does. It also is much safer than doing it on your phone as people can and will continue to do, even in states where it is illegal. Apple isn't a legislature. They can't tackle unsafe driver behavior by crafting laws, but they can do so via software offerings.

Shivetya 13y ago

From personal experience, a fixed location screen; my dash; is more distracting than my phone which can be moved into my line of sight. That out of the way, my VW will duplicate much of what appears on the nav screen into a small display between the speedometer and tachometer. Having used a few heads up displays in cars I am not if I really want to go that route. Still, when moving the car should be displaying relevant information only. I would much rather have a talking car than one trying to show me

adventured 13y ago

It's worse than low value, it's flat-out racist.