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"sexually abused", can anyone explain this bit?

by koobarbara 13y ago

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jaredmcateer 13y ago
They are probably penetrated with equipment or tools (e.g., a broom handle) without reason other than to be cruel.
- sillysaurus3 13y ago
  Let's not make up charges without evidence.
  - boomlinde 13y ago
    Did the poster above you make any assertions? It's not that hard to look it up anyway: http://www.peta.org/videos/sexual-deviance-and-sexual-abuse-of-animals-factory-farmings-dirty-little-secret/ http://www.peta.org/videos/sexual-deviance-and-sexual-abuse-... (don't watch it)
yuvadam 13y ago
Well, it's pretty straightforward. You do know where the milk you drink comes from, right? You do know that cows are forcefully inseminated and impregnated (i.e. raped) in order to keep up the production, right? [I'm not sure why the downvotes are in place just because I'm mentioning a well known fact about how the dairy industry works]
- ndespres 13y ago
  Please don't be obtuse or sensationalize this. You know very well that's not what's being referred to here.
  - yuvadam 13y ago
    Well, I find it hard to see the difference between "abnormal" sexual abuse and "regular" sexual abuse that is an inherent part of the dairy industry, whether you like it or not.
    - Dylan16807 13y ago
      Are you able to tell the difference between medicine and abuse when it comes to something like endoscopy? Hint: one of them is based around inflicting pain, and the other tries to inflict none. Edit: Also when you call it 'rape' and 'sexual' I wonder how you would feel about impregnation that completely bypassed genitalia and went though an incision in the abdomen. Assume getting a c-section too if you like.
      - asciimo 13y ago
        Endoscopy, fertility treatments, and pregnancy assistance are consensual. Forced insemination is not.
        jessaustin 13y ago
        Maybe you haven't been around cattle very much, but it's actually quite rare for them to receive any veterinary care in a "consensual" fashion. They are different from you and I in a number of salient ways. Do you have a problem with human infants receiving painful vaccinations for which they likewise cannot possibly consent?
    - randomdata 13y ago
      Are you saying a cow in heat does not imply consent? If so, what standard should we hold bulls to when they "immorally" act on that signal? Or are you suggesting that rape is okay, so long as it does not involve humans?
      - rimantas 13y ago
        I've read that surprisingly many rape victims experience orgasm during rape (which makes it even worse for them afterwards). Would you claim that this also implies consent? Also, looks like you have quite a naive picture of how insemination actually works. Usually there is no bull involved only a vet with a shoulder-lenght rubber glove. Now, does the process of getting bull's semen also count as sexual abuse… I actually think that the notion of "consent" is stupid when tried to apply to animals. We will just twist it however we think acceptable. Cows don't consent being milked or killed for meat any more than they consent for sex with them. I'd happily accept a simple stance "yep, we do use and kill you, we just try our best not to make you suffer more than needed" over militant stupidity of "animal rights" activists.
- jessaustin 13y ago
  Some people have ethics nuanced enough to differentiate between e.g. a violent sexual assault against a human being and the artificial insemination, with standard veterinary tools, of a "food" animal. Other people do not have such ethics. It's not hard to understand why the two groups might have a disagreement, but it is kind of obnoxious to see that disagreement on HN.
supersystem 13y ago
"The man seen fondling a cow’s vagina in the newly released video eventually spent 102 days in jail." http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-cow-abuse-video-idaho-ag-gag-bill-20140218,0,3908830.story#ixzz2uoghDO5z http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-cow-abuse-v...
- Dylan16807 13y ago
  Annoyingly, that description is too vague to tell if it's actual abuse or just 'look at me touch a taboo spot'. And I'd rather not watch the video to find out. The fact that he went to jail doesn't clarify, because he did many other things such as jumping on a cow for an extended period.
  - Jach 13y ago
    If you don't watch the video yourself, how can you trust a description to be accurate, and then form your own opinion on whether such acts (and undercover filming of such acts) should be illegal? I watched it, my own take is that it's nothing special in terms of disturbing material. The other video from PETA linked on this page shows more perverse acts but is also not very disturbing overall. The video on meat.org is probably the worst in this particular genre I've seen.
    - Dylan16807 13y ago
      > If you don't watch the video yourself, how can you trust a description to be accurate, and then form your own opinion on whether such acts (and undercover filming of such acts) should be illegal? What are you talking about? I explicitly said the description is too vague to make meaningful conclusions about.
      - Jach 13y ago
        I guess I should have s/ a / any /. The description may have said "The video depicts a man repeatedly inserting a hot iron into the cow's vagina", which to me doesn't seem very vague, but isn't what happened in that video. "Fondling" is appropriate but as you say somewhat vague. So how are you supposed to know without watching the video?

"sexually abused", can anyone explain this bit?

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jaredmcateer 13y ago

They are probably penetrated with equipment or tools (e.g., a broom handle) without reason other than to be cruel.

sillysaurus3 13y ago
Let's not make up charges without evidence.
- boomlinde 13y ago
  Did the poster above you make any assertions? It's not that hard to look it up anyway: http://www.peta.org/videos/sexual-deviance-and-sexual-abuse-of-animals-factory-farmings-dirty-little-secret/ http://www.peta.org/videos/sexual-deviance-and-sexual-abuse-... (don't watch it)

yuvadam 13y ago

Well, it's pretty straightforward. You do know where the milk you drink comes from, right? You do know that cows are forcefully inseminated and impregnated (i.e. raped) in order to keep up the production, right? [I'm not sure why the downvotes are in place just because I'm mentioning a well known fact about how the dairy industry works]

ndespres 13y ago
Please don't be obtuse or sensationalize this. You know very well that's not what's being referred to here.
- yuvadam 13y ago
  Well, I find it hard to see the difference between "abnormal" sexual abuse and "regular" sexual abuse that is an inherent part of the dairy industry, whether you like it or not.
  - Dylan16807 13y ago
    Are you able to tell the difference between medicine and abuse when it comes to something like endoscopy? Hint: one of them is based around inflicting pain, and the other tries to inflict none. Edit: Also when you call it 'rape' and 'sexual' I wonder how you would feel about impregnation that completely bypassed genitalia and went though an incision in the abdomen. Assume getting a c-section too if you like.
    - asciimo 13y ago
      Endoscopy, fertility treatments, and pregnancy assistance are consensual. Forced insemination is not.
      - jessaustin 13y ago
        Maybe you haven't been around cattle very much, but it's actually quite rare for them to receive any veterinary care in a "consensual" fashion. They are different from you and I in a number of salient ways. Do you have a problem with human infants receiving painful vaccinations for which they likewise cannot possibly consent?
  - randomdata 13y ago
    Are you saying a cow in heat does not imply consent? If so, what standard should we hold bulls to when they "immorally" act on that signal? Or are you suggesting that rape is okay, so long as it does not involve humans?
    - rimantas 13y ago
      I've read that surprisingly many rape victims experience orgasm during rape (which makes it even worse for them afterwards). Would you claim that this also implies consent? Also, looks like you have quite a naive picture of how insemination actually works. Usually there is no bull involved only a vet with a shoulder-lenght rubber glove. Now, does the process of getting bull's semen also count as sexual abuse… I actually think that the notion of "consent" is stupid when tried to apply to animals. We will just twist it however we think acceptable. Cows don't consent being milked or killed for meat any more than they consent for sex with them. I'd happily accept a simple stance "yep, we do use and kill you, we just try our best not to make you suffer more than needed" over militant stupidity of "animal rights" activists.
jessaustin 13y ago
Some people have ethics nuanced enough to differentiate between e.g. a violent sexual assault against a human being and the artificial insemination, with standard veterinary tools, of a "food" animal. Other people do not have such ethics. It's not hard to understand why the two groups might have a disagreement, but it is kind of obnoxious to see that disagreement on HN.

supersystem 13y ago

"The man seen fondling a cow’s vagina in the newly released video eventually spent 102 days in jail." http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-cow-abuse-video-idaho-ag-gag-bill-20140218,0,3908830.story#ixzz2uoghDO5z http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-cow-abuse-v...

Dylan16807 13y ago
Annoyingly, that description is too vague to tell if it's actual abuse or just 'look at me touch a taboo spot'. And I'd rather not watch the video to find out. The fact that he went to jail doesn't clarify, because he did many other things such as jumping on a cow for an extended period.
- Jach 13y ago
  If you don't watch the video yourself, how can you trust a description to be accurate, and then form your own opinion on whether such acts (and undercover filming of such acts) should be illegal? I watched it, my own take is that it's nothing special in terms of disturbing material. The other video from PETA linked on this page shows more perverse acts but is also not very disturbing overall. The video on meat.org is probably the worst in this particular genre I've seen.
  - Dylan16807 13y ago
    > If you don't watch the video yourself, how can you trust a description to be accurate, and then form your own opinion on whether such acts (and undercover filming of such acts) should be illegal? What are you talking about? I explicitly said the description is too vague to make meaningful conclusions about.
    - Jach 13y ago
      I guess I should have s/ a / any /. The description may have said "The video depicts a man repeatedly inserting a hot iron into the cow's vagina", which to me doesn't seem very vague, but isn't what happened in that video. "Fondling" is appropriate but as you say somewhat vague. So how are you supposed to know without watching the video?