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Facebook has committed to provide up to $600,000 over three years, enough in the city's estimate to cover the salary and benefits of a full-time officer. Accor

by yeukhon 13y ago

Facebook has committed to provide up to $600,000 over three years, enough in the city's estimate to cover the salary and benefits of a full-time officer. According to this http://jeffwongdesign.com/2010/03/nypd-officers-can-make-6-figures-salary-after-5-5-years-plus-huge-perks/#.UxLMIqj2J7M http://jeffwongdesign.com/2010/03/nypd-officers-can-make-6-f..., NYPD can make 91K after 6 years in the service. Is Facebook paying less? I don't know the cost of benefit and insurance. I really doubt a single police officer will receive more than $100K benefit in three years. I would be very surprise if they do! I am not against Facebook pays the city to hire additional security personnel. I am all for companies and community putting a fund together to hire additional police officers or firefighters or EMT, but this worries me: "Let's say Facebook has a need of assistance, or some other large company, and says, 'We want to have drills for an active shooter or a bomb threat. We need you to help us put that together.' They'd have an actual person (to assist)," Bertini said. I am not saying we don't want to have more police officers, but right now, rich companies can directly fund government outside of taxation. They are directly paying to hire government employee. Why can't Facebook have their own outreach team to work with local police public relation to carry out such plan (to reduce student truancy). Also, consider security guards are paid at a lower rate, why can't we help boost their salary (see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541541/Google-hiring-security-guards-protect-work-buses-San-Francisco-following-protests-tech-workers-driving-city-rents.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541541/Google-hirin...)? In the case of bomb threat or shooting, I am damn sure a 911 call is enough to get 100 county officers from MP and nearby county. A single officer will not help much. It seems like they are just concerned with unauthorized access rather than defeating crime rate.

trhway 13y ago
>Also, consider security guards are paid at a lower rate, why can't we help boost their salary sworn officer vs. security guard is like a queen vs. pawn. >It seems like they are just concerned with unauthorized access rather than defeating crime rate. something like 10 years ago (when i was commuting to that Sun's (back then) campus) there were police presence at that station. Not that it was affecting much, at least at the outsider look it is the same now as it has been through all these years. Given the generational shift - FB employees are supposedly like to walk and ride bikes and live nearby with the campus - the police presence seems like another perk FB is trying to buy for their employees as this place - East Palo Alto - is supposedly looking scary to young people coming from good families in good neighborhoods :)
- yeukhon 13y ago
  Well I don't argue that security guards are obviously 10x less trained than a cop. But you have to agree that if they want to provide security to employees, they need to hire a GOOD security guard agency. I have never been to FB and I don't know how well trained the security guards at FB are, but these people are really your first responder when a threat occurs on campus, immediately. They are the one going to do the gatekeeping for FB. If they could hire a better security agency, they should. Right now I feel like FB is trying to be cost-effective; instead of spending $1-3M for better security guards, they are just throwing $1M out there to get 3-4 cops.
glenra 13y ago
In addition to the cost of benefits - which can be HUGE for jobs of that sort (if you take proper account of the value of early retirement with a defined benefit pension) - there's also the overhead associated with hiring that cop. Getting that cop a suitable car, phone, gun, desk space in an office and so on.
maaku 13y ago
> NYPD can make 91K after 6 years in the service. > > Is Facebook paying less? I don't know the cost of benefit and insurance. I really doubt a single police officer will receive more than $100K benefit in three years. I would be very surprise if they do! Rule of thumb in government: double the wage to achieve full-cost of a salaried employee.
- mmorris 13y ago
  I've always heard this rule of thumb used for employees in general, not just for government workers. For example: http://blog.intuit.com/employees/how-much-does-an-employee-really-cost/ http://blog.intuit.com/employees/how-much-does-an-employee-r...
  - e12e 13y ago
    Indeed. I suspect police officers have quite the extra cost due to presumably higher insurance premiums than an office worker.
kiiski 13y ago
>In the case of bomb threat or shooting, I am damn sure a 911 call is enough to get 100 county officers from MP and nearby county. A single officer will not help much. A single officer in the right place is far more usefull than 100 in a nearby county. Breivik was just one man. He could have been easily stopped by a single officer.
- yeukhon 13y ago
  My point is that a single cop can't defend everyone in that area; also, security guards are really the first responder on site to be honest. IMO, FB is trying to be cost-effective; instead of spending more money on good security guards (I don't know how good they are at FB right now), FB is throwing $1M total to get a few police officers.

by yeukhon 13y ago

trhway 13y ago

>Also, consider security guards are paid at a lower rate, why can't we help boost their salary sworn officer vs. security guard is like a queen vs. pawn. >It seems like they are just concerned with unauthorized access rather than defeating crime rate. something like 10 years ago (when i was commuting to that Sun's (back then) campus) there were police presence at that station. Not that it was affecting much, at least at the outsider look it is the same now as it has been through all these years. Given the generational shift - FB employees are supposedly like to walk and ride bikes and live nearby with the campus - the police presence seems like another perk FB is trying to buy for their employees as this place - East Palo Alto - is supposedly looking scary to young people coming from good families in good neighborhoods :)

yeukhon 13y ago
Well I don't argue that security guards are obviously 10x less trained than a cop. But you have to agree that if they want to provide security to employees, they need to hire a GOOD security guard agency. I have never been to FB and I don't know how well trained the security guards at FB are, but these people are really your first responder when a threat occurs on campus, immediately. They are the one going to do the gatekeeping for FB. If they could hire a better security agency, they should. Right now I feel like FB is trying to be cost-effective; instead of spending $1-3M for better security guards, they are just throwing $1M out there to get 3-4 cops.

glenra 13y ago

In addition to the cost of benefits - which can be HUGE for jobs of that sort (if you take proper account of the value of early retirement with a defined benefit pension) - there's also the overhead associated with hiring that cop. Getting that cop a suitable car, phone, gun, desk space in an office and so on.

maaku 13y ago

> NYPD can make 91K after 6 years in the service. > > Is Facebook paying less? I don't know the cost of benefit and insurance. I really doubt a single police officer will receive more than $100K benefit in three years. I would be very surprise if they do! Rule of thumb in government: double the wage to achieve full-cost of a salaried employee.

mmorris 13y ago
I've always heard this rule of thumb used for employees in general, not just for government workers. For example: http://blog.intuit.com/employees/how-much-does-an-employee-really-cost/ http://blog.intuit.com/employees/how-much-does-an-employee-r...
- e12e 13y ago
  Indeed. I suspect police officers have quite the extra cost due to presumably higher insurance premiums than an office worker.

kiiski 13y ago

>In the case of bomb threat or shooting, I am damn sure a 911 call is enough to get 100 county officers from MP and nearby county. A single officer will not help much. A single officer in the right place is far more usefull than 100 in a nearby county. Breivik was just one man. He could have been easily stopped by a single officer.

yeukhon 13y ago
My point is that a single cop can't defend everyone in that area; also, security guards are really the first responder on site to be honest. IMO, FB is trying to be cost-effective; instead of spending more money on good security guards (I don't know how good they are at FB right now), FB is throwing $1M total to get a few police officers.