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For those who wouldn't click cause it's "Female Founders" - so far it's been just as inspiring as Startup School (even for me as a man).
by namenotrequired 13y ago
For those who wouldn't click cause it's "Female Founders" - so far it's been just as inspiring as Startup School (even for me as a man).
- zbruhnke 13y agoAgreed! been watching the entire thing so far
- semerda 13y agoDitto. Some great speakers and great nuggets of education! Watching it now :-)
- kmfrk 13y ago>For those who wouldn't click cause it's "Female Founders" - so far it's been just as inspiring as Startup School (even for me as a man). ?!
- namenotrequired 13y agoDo you have a question?
- igravious 13y agoAh, you may not be acquainted with English punctuation. The ? (question mark) and ! (exclamation point) when combined so ?! usually denotes (connotes?) baffled incredulity[0] or something similar. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclamation_mark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclamation_mark From good ol' Wiki P, "The exclamation mark is sometimes used in conjunction with the question mark. This can be in protest or astonishment ("Out of all places, the squatter-camp?!"); a few writers replace this with a single, nonstandard punctuation mark, the interrobang, which is the combination of a question mark and an exclamation point." ps: when Wiki P says 'a few' here please read 'hardly any'.
- namenotrequired 13y agoThanks a lot for explaining! The same is true in Dutch, perhaps I should have phrased my question as "what surprises you?".
- igravious 13y agoHey, no problem. Your initial statement struck me as a little odd too. I wouldn't have used quite so terse (?!) a response to you because HN etiquette frowns upon it - even though some cases (like perhaps this one) may warrant it. >For those who wouldn't click cause it's "Female Founders" - so far it's been just as inspiring as Startup School (even for me as a man). I'm not going to put words into your mouth. Can you explain what you meant by this using a different set of words?
- namenotrequired 13y agoThanks for being so considerate. I'm not sure if I worded it poorly or if my opinion itself is so controversial. How about this? "I know this conference is clearly targeted to women, but it's interesting and inspiring to all (aspiring) founders, so I recommend men don't let themselves be put off by that"
- igravious 13y agoI think that gets your point across much better. It's just that people are so sensitive around the issues of gender/race/what-have-you that one needs to choose their words very carefully.
- namenotrequired 13y agoYes, that's true, and I guess something that gets as many views and upvotes as that comment is normally bound to get some criticism or misunderstanding anyway :) Thanks again!
- Dewie 13y ago
- Jun8 13y agoWho do you think wouldn't click? This sort of condescending underestimation of the HN crowd just amazes me! As expected, it's currently #1 on HN.
- Ambrosia 13y agoI guess you haven't seen the normal shit that comes up whenever people try to encourage women to do stuff.
- Jun8 13y agoNope, this is in fact one of the topics that I feel strongly (and try to work on with high school prog teams). Yet, I feel there's a bit of hysteresis effect on that discussion, with HN flooded with such posts. Most of the "normal shit" on HN you refer to stems from the above. This one is quite different though, it's actually about female founders, not just targeting girls for coding.
- jonalmeida 13y agoNot true, I didn't click the link because I feared it was about getting more female founders in development. After reading namenotrequired's comment I clicked.
- Crake 13y agoYeah, same. :/ Funny, isn't? All the Adria Richards of the world claiming to want to increase the exposure of women in tech are actively discouraging exactly that.
- jonalmeida 13y agoIt's an interesting point. I think it's discouraging young male entrepreneurs. Hacker School has special funding for women wanting to apply and while I consciously ignore this, sub-consciously, I feel that I have a less likely chance of getting in so why bother applying.
- Crake 13y agoI usually don't bother with links to things that are phrased in such a way as to suggest support of segregationist policies. I don't care about women in tech. I care about people in tech.
- nilved 13y agoAwesome! That's why you support women in tech and the female founder thought, right? Because that's how _people_ get in to tech?
- Dewie 13y agoHave you stopped beating your wife?
- JensenDied 13y agoMu.
- dandrews 13y agoProblem is, Crake, we're doing something wrong. Three years I went to Conj, and the first year there were -zero- women attendees out of 300. Second year it was -three- attendees out of 300. Third year it was eight or nine. I don't know what Lynn and company managed to attract last year. The people attending Conj are bright, well-spoken, polite. I didn't meet a jerk in three years, a crowd I was proud to be seen with. But WHERE WERE THE WOMEN? What is going on here? We must do something. I don't know what. I'll agree with you that exclusionary events are counterproductive, but I can't see the harm in recognizing successful women who can show us how it's done.
- baddox 13y ago> Problem is, Crake, we're doing something wrong. And perhaps the support of segregationist policies is the thing we're doing wrong.
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- neilk 13y agoAgreed. I saw someone post the link on Twitter, and it was very interesting. Skipped back to the beginning and Adora Cheung's story (HomeJoy) just blew me away.
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