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Is unbiased journalism what /r/news and /r/worldnews readers actually want? Or are they looking for a channel where alternative - to mainstream press outlets -

Is unbiased journalism what /r/news and /r/worldnews readers actually want? Or are they looking for a channel where alternative - to mainstream press outlets - points of view can be seen and discussed? Judging by the reaction to the deletion of GGs stories, a significant minority or even a majority want the latter. So the real question is does the public get what the public wants?

untog 13y ago
So the real question is does the public get what the public wants? Well, not really. Not when creating a new subreddit is free and easy to do. If a significant minority of a subreddit audience dislikes a decision they can easily set up their own community.
- revscat 13y ago
  But does nothing to address the original dishonesty on the part of the moderators. Your line of reasoning is similar to the jingoistic "USA! Love it or leave it!" style reasoning. Rather than abandonment, another remedy is to actually fix the problem, namely Reddit's moderation system. And of course abolish the NSA.
  - untog 13y ago
    Your line of reasoning is similar to the jingoistic "USA! Love it or leave it!" style reasoning. It really isn't. "USA, love it or leave it" it useless at best because people very rarely have the ability to just up and leave their home country, let alone deal with the employment and family repercussions of doing so. In short: it isn't a reasonable expectation. To refer back to the post I replied to: Is unbiased journalism what /r/news and /r/worldnews readers actually want? I don't know. But the point is this: /r/news has rules. I don't see how the mods are being dishonest - the rules are stated quite clearly. If a significant minority disagree with those rules, starting a new subreddit is incredibly simple and has no repercussions beyond people adding another subreddit to their subscribed list.
- sitkack 13y ago
  We are talking about the front page of reddit. In the face of psyops we all free to make our own phpBB forum, doesn't mean there still isn't covert censorship.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
  No, actually, one cannot create a new (default) subreddit.
chc 13y ago
> So the real question is does the public get what the public wants? I don't think "Is our precious little Public getting everything he wants?" is the right question. What the public wants is shouty-but-shallow opinion pieces and cat pictures, and in those interests they are already well-served. The point of moderation is to raise the level of discourse above the lowest common denominator.

untog 13y ago

So the real question is does the public get what the public wants? Well, not really. Not when creating a new subreddit is free and easy to do. If a significant minority of a subreddit audience dislikes a decision they can easily set up their own community.

revscat 13y ago
But does nothing to address the original dishonesty on the part of the moderators. Your line of reasoning is similar to the jingoistic "USA! Love it or leave it!" style reasoning. Rather than abandonment, another remedy is to actually fix the problem, namely Reddit's moderation system. And of course abolish the NSA.
- untog 13y ago
  Your line of reasoning is similar to the jingoistic "USA! Love it or leave it!" style reasoning. It really isn't. "USA, love it or leave it" it useless at best because people very rarely have the ability to just up and leave their home country, let alone deal with the employment and family repercussions of doing so. In short: it isn't a reasonable expectation. To refer back to the post I replied to: Is unbiased journalism what /r/news and /r/worldnews readers actually want? I don't know. But the point is this: /r/news has rules. I don't see how the mods are being dishonest - the rules are stated quite clearly. If a significant minority disagree with those rules, starting a new subreddit is incredibly simple and has no repercussions beyond people adding another subreddit to their subscribed list.
sitkack 13y ago
We are talking about the front page of reddit. In the face of psyops we all free to make our own phpBB forum, doesn't mean there still isn't covert censorship.
fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
No, actually, one cannot create a new (default) subreddit.

chc 13y ago

> So the real question is does the public get what the public wants? I don't think "Is our precious little Public getting everything he wants?" is the right question. What the public wants is shouty-but-shallow opinion pieces and cat pictures, and in those interests they are already well-served. The point of moderation is to raise the level of discourse above the lowest common denominator.