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Confirmed. I use web.de since 1998 as a spam-box, to keep my real account clean. During the last years they indeed try all tricks (we have a present for you, 3

Confirmed. I use web.de since 1998 as a spam-box, to keep my real account clean. During the last years they indeed try all tricks (we have a present for you, 3 weeks of free membership blah, blah..). If you leave this page now, the present will expire. There is a way to simply ignore this sh..t. All of it. But I agree that it takes discipline (germans are good at that :o). Gmail, on the other hand, cannot be trusted either. While web.de is evil, google is evil too, but google is bigger and google is not an european company. All of the data is used abroad thus circumventing civilized laws. The real problem is this: these companies offer a service and everybody expects free services online. Of course the companies have to make money. Ask yourself: would you pay for an email account (I do)? If not, you have to accept ads. Or googles snooping in your data and selling your profile to everyone who pays. There is no free beer online. At least web.de shows us how ugly it gets, if things have to look like they were free. This is not intended to excuse the primitive tricks we.de uses. But if you have a solution, post it here and I'll get rich.

danieldk 13y ago
Or googles snooping in your data and selling your profile to everyone who pays. You should really read Google's privacy policy: http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/ http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/ So, no, they don't sell your profile. I do agree with your point: if you don't want advertisements. Pay for the service. E.g. Google Apps for domains allows you to disable adds in Google apps. And since you can bring your own domain, you can move to some other service if you are not happy with them.
- mironathetin 13y ago
  "So, no, they don't sell your profile." sorry, my mistake. They use it themselves (or let it slip accidentally to foreign secret services) :o).
- belorn 13y ago
  An non-binding policy, how quaint! http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/contractsprof_blog/2010/08/is-a-websites-privacy-policy-a-binding-contract.html http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/contractsprof_blog/2010/08/... Even if you trusted such things, google will still do targeted ads. If DEA want to find drug users, all they have to do is ask google and they will use users emails to locate them.
  - Filligree 13y ago
    Yes, Google will comply with law enforcement. Uh... what would you prefer they do instead?
    - PavlovsCat 13y ago
      Avoid collecting such information in the first place, which of course would require a different business model, which brings us back to the initial point.
      - danieldk 13y ago
        Well, except that many users want full indexing of e-mails, including attachments, such that they can use an AJAX web interface to quickly search them. So, storing all e-mails encrypted is not really feasible if you want to have such features as well [1]. It's a trade-off - convenience or security (I am sure someone will site Benjamin Franklin now ;)). [1] Yes, I know that there is work on indexing encrypted data.
        PavlovsCat 13y ago
        There is still a difference between storing the emails unencrypted and using them to profile users for ad targeting. But anyway, what you are talking about could still be optional: if you wanted to search and be somewhat private you'd have to download the emails with a local client via IMAP - and if you really need search via web interface, you would toggle the option to store the emails unencrypted for that purpose.
        danieldk 13y ago
        There is still a difference between storing the emails unencrypted and using them to profile users for ad targeting. You can disable interest-based ads: https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads Also, if you have a paid Google Apps account, you can disable ads in Google apps. Personally, I'd like to see targeted ads more than 'random' ads. Of course, I don't like to be profiled. So, I use Ghostery, an ad blocker, and paid e-mail.
_quasimodo 13y ago
Can you recommend a paid european mail service?
- deleted 13y ago
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- runiq 13y ago
  Posteo.de [1] is decent, but they don't allow you to use your own domain. The recently launched mailbox.org [2] seems to be alright as well. [1] https://posteo.de https://posteo.de [2] https://mailbox.org https://mailbox.org
- Sprint 13y ago
  Just buy a domain and a small hosting plan that includes mail. I am using that setup for close to 10 years now and it is fantastic. I use all-inkl (hit me for my affiliate link if you want to sign up so I become rich) which are a high quality yet very affordable german host.
  - mironathetin 13y ago
    _quasimodo: this!
  - LinaLauneBaer 13y ago
    all-inkl has huge incompetencies when it comes to mail. Their servers end up on spam lists every 1-3 weeks. Effect: Your customers do not receive any more emails from you. In addition if you inbox becomes larger than a specific size (1 GB is think) they will autoarchive your whole inbox to a folder... not nice if you have smart mail mailboxes
    - Sprint 13y ago
      I have never had either happen. I use a local mail client though and have it set to delete mails at their end after 14 days.
- onli 13y ago
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danieldk 13y ago

Or googles snooping in your data and selling your profile to everyone who pays. You should really read Google's privacy policy: http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/ http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/ So, no, they don't sell your profile. I do agree with your point: if you don't want advertisements. Pay for the service. E.g. Google Apps for domains allows you to disable adds in Google apps. And since you can bring your own domain, you can move to some other service if you are not happy with them.

mironathetin 13y ago
"So, no, they don't sell your profile." sorry, my mistake. They use it themselves (or let it slip accidentally to foreign secret services) :o).
belorn 13y ago
An non-binding policy, how quaint! http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/contractsprof_blog/2010/08/is-a-websites-privacy-policy-a-binding-contract.html http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/contractsprof_blog/2010/08/... Even if you trusted such things, google will still do targeted ads. If DEA want to find drug users, all they have to do is ask google and they will use users emails to locate them.
- Filligree 13y ago
  Yes, Google will comply with law enforcement. Uh... what would you prefer they do instead?
  - PavlovsCat 13y ago
    Avoid collecting such information in the first place, which of course would require a different business model, which brings us back to the initial point.
    - danieldk 13y ago
      Well, except that many users want full indexing of e-mails, including attachments, such that they can use an AJAX web interface to quickly search them. So, storing all e-mails encrypted is not really feasible if you want to have such features as well [1]. It's a trade-off - convenience or security (I am sure someone will site Benjamin Franklin now ;)). [1] Yes, I know that there is work on indexing encrypted data.
      - PavlovsCat 13y ago
        There is still a difference between storing the emails unencrypted and using them to profile users for ad targeting. But anyway, what you are talking about could still be optional: if you wanted to search and be somewhat private you'd have to download the emails with a local client via IMAP - and if you really need search via web interface, you would toggle the option to store the emails unencrypted for that purpose.
        danieldk 13y ago
        There is still a difference between storing the emails unencrypted and using them to profile users for ad targeting. You can disable interest-based ads: https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads Also, if you have a paid Google Apps account, you can disable ads in Google apps. Personally, I'd like to see targeted ads more than 'random' ads. Of course, I don't like to be profiled. So, I use Ghostery, an ad blocker, and paid e-mail.

_quasimodo 13y ago

Can you recommend a paid european mail service?

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runiq 13y ago
Posteo.de [1] is decent, but they don't allow you to use your own domain. The recently launched mailbox.org [2] seems to be alright as well. [1] https://posteo.de https://posteo.de [2] https://mailbox.org https://mailbox.org
Sprint 13y ago
Just buy a domain and a small hosting plan that includes mail. I am using that setup for close to 10 years now and it is fantastic. I use all-inkl (hit me for my affiliate link if you want to sign up so I become rich) which are a high quality yet very affordable german host.
- mironathetin 13y ago
  _quasimodo: this!
- LinaLauneBaer 13y ago
  all-inkl has huge incompetencies when it comes to mail. Their servers end up on spam lists every 1-3 weeks. Effect: Your customers do not receive any more emails from you. In addition if you inbox becomes larger than a specific size (1 GB is think) they will autoarchive your whole inbox to a folder... not nice if you have smart mail mailboxes
  - Sprint 13y ago
    I have never had either happen. I use a local mail client though and have it set to delete mails at their end after 14 days.
onli 13y ago

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