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Not at all. If the EU and Brazil are using US cables, the US is just interfering with its own cable. Fair enough. Entirely different if the US attacks a cable
by alan_cx 13y ago
Not at all.
If the EU and Brazil are using US cables, the US is just interfering with its own cable. Fair enough. Entirely different if the US attacks a cable it does not own. It changes the game. It could be considered a hostile act against allies.
- masklinn 13y ago> Entirely different if the US attacks a cable it does not own. It changes the game. It could be considered a hostile act against allies. Problem's how are you going to prove it, run through the whole undersea cable every month to ensure it's not been tapped?
- mkaziz 13y agoThey only need to be caught once.
- nl 13y agoAnd then what?
- diminoten 13y agoSternly worded letters. Possibly a vowel or two.
- hrkristian 13y ago"Don't. K? -Merkel"
- chris_wot 13y agoPart of the letter is: yeah, that billion dollar Boeing contract? We're giving it to Sweden. I see the vowels "o", "e" and "i". http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-boeing-brazil-insight-idUSBRE9BJ10P20131220 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-boeing-brazil-i...
- diminoten 13y agoYou don't honestly think morality, of all things, had anything to do with that, do you?
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- JonFish85 13y agoAnd on top of that, assuming you find something, how are you going to prove who did it?
- enraged_camel 13y agoAnd even if you prove it, so what? The United States is the most powerful country in the world. It has the ability to force other countries' presidential planes to land (on foreign airports, no less) so it can search them for a lone fugitive. What exactly do you think is going to happen if someone proves that the US tapped their undersea cables?
- atmosx 13y agoI think it's easy: There are only a few organizations (state owned or private) that are able to pull up something like this. Keeping an eye on the stock-market of the parties involved (who's went up, who's went down, who bought CDS instead, etc.) will tell you enough. For us, me at least, it's kinda hard to follow through. But imagine you are the "Bundesnachrichtendienst" (I know it's incredibly hard to read, not to mention to spell it correctly, maybe they did it on purpose), it's the German CIA counterpart. They have the means to find out easily. What happens next depends on so many factors that it could be a good task for a prediction algorithm.
- mercurial 13y ago> It could be considered a hostile act against allies. Come on. Nine EU countries are complicit in the warrantless wiretap/metadata collection scheme GHCQ is running here on behalf of the NSA. If the US is tapping an EU cable, it's just more data going in the same fetid pool. You can see how outraged the various EU governments are by how loud they have been about it. The only one who seems genuinely upset is Merkel, and mostly because the German secret services don't have the same technical abilities. I don't know how genuinely angry Brazil is, but I would be extremely surprised if Brazilian intelligence didn't have a similar setup at home.
- erichurkman 13y agoAt least nine EU countries are complicit. With as widespread as spying is, I don't think we could safely rule out the other 19 member states.
- mercurial 13y agoUnfortunately, you are probably right.
- watwut 13y agoMe spying on you aint the same as you spying on me. First is just logically, non offensive act, another is horrible offence.
- Already__Taken 13y ago> "and mostly because the German secret services don't have the same technical abilities" I'd like to mention that from an outsiders viewpoint of the Germans, it seems they can't by choice rather than ability.
- gaius 13y agoUhh, mostly because East Germany. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi Never assume that Germans lack technical ability, either!
- colinplamondon 13y agoEveryone spies on everyone. From the telegraph onwards, everyone has signals intelligence organizations, the sole purpose of which is to intercept foreign communications. This changes nothing. This will launch, reduce latency for South Americans, and 10 minutes later it'll be tapped by the US, France, and everyone else who cares enough to send a submarine on over.
- aragot 13y agoNope. It costs money, risk and power to tape. Every Unfair taping erodes that country's power a bit. So it's still worth building things defending a country's sovereignty and it's still worth starting anytime.
- jellicle 13y agoSo, you think the US created an entire submarine dedicated to tapping undersea cables, but isn't doing so currently?
- totalforge 13y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uss_Jimmy_Carter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uss_Jimmy_Carter