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Software Startups Get JetBrains Tools at 50% Off

85 points by rdemmer 13y ago

btipling 13y ago
JetBrains is super startup friendly. While we have been working on our IntelliJ plugin to edit with others in real time JetBrains has given us discounts, engineering help (via their forums), and we have even started talking to their business development team about getting our plugin more attention. They're also very responsive on Twitter. JetBrains is a great company, with good people. It's weird to me that as a long time vim user to be so happy with their editors. I still use vim for a lot of editing, but the features in IntelliJ and PyCharm and WebStorm and all the others are amazing. I don't use vim anymore to write Java. I use IntelliJ, because you hardly type. You just tell IntelliJ what you want and it writes your code for you, one piece at a time. Even with Python I'm finding myself using PyCharm more often. It's very good, especially for debugging.
theg2 13y ago
Can't recommend their software enough, totally worth the money for everything unless you're doing .NET. I mean...it's Visual Studio after all.
- kasey_junk 13y ago
  It's been a few years since I've done it, but when I was doing .NET development Jetbrains Resharper was an absolutely essential tool.
  - bkmartin 13y ago
    And indeed it still is. Great product.
sergiotapia 13y ago
I can't recommend RubyMine enough. It's single-handedly the best developer tool I've ever had the joy of using. It handles RVM and RVM gemsets natively with ZERO configuration, integrates with Git history and pending changes, can connect to databases and view records IN THE IDE, you can open a terminal right there in the IDE for when you need to get down and dirty. And the shortcuts - dear lord the Shortcuts are a TIME SAVER. Cmd+Shift+O > Type in filename > Bam. You're there. Cmd+click object, you are taken to it's implementation or declaration automatically. Highly recommend RubyMine!
- akx 13y ago
  Not sure if RubyMine has this (yet), but hitting Shift twice opens "Search Everywhere" in my PyCharm, which is even faster than Ctrl+(Shift+(Alt+))N.
  - btipling 13y ago
    Wow, I type Cmd+F for find in path, but I'll try double shift. The keyboard commands in PyCharm are much different from IntelliJ IDE, so not sure if RubyMine is also different.
  - krisdol 13y ago
    Same result in RubyMine, thanks for the tip!
  - pilif 13y ago
    Thank you SO MUCH for this. I had no idea. Whatever I do, I can't make my brain remember the various navigation keyboard shortcuts and guessing a file always felt better than moving to the mouse, opening the menu and thinking about the appropriate item to use. This is amazing. Very easy to reach shortcut and very broad search (while still being fast).
- crusso 13y ago
  I heartily recommend RubyMine as well. I was a vim Ruby developer for some time and convinced that no one was going to ever make a decent Rails development environment. RubyMine is well worth the price.
- the_rosentotter 13y ago
  Not to be a dick but... Those things are new to Ruby developers? It blows my mind how anyone could enjoy programming without the basest tool support.
dkhenry 13y ago
Actually you can apply to get their software free for use on open source projects. I got hooked on IDEA by using it for a Open Source project and now gladly pay for it to use on commercial software.
arikrak 13y ago
50% off is still more expensive than their price for individual licenses.
- btipling 13y ago
  You can't expense individual licenses. It's part of the terms.
davexunit 13y ago
The best dev tools in life are free (as in freedom).
- zeroDivisible 13y ago
  No, the best ones are the ones with which you're most productive with. I'm running Vim / IntelliJ Idea all day long for last few years and wouldn't ever get rid of one or the other. You can use a plugin to have some Vim-like capabilities in idea, but then - when it comes to working with text files (not project files) / ssh / work on remote servers, Vim is my tool to go. If Notepad or Visual Studio works the same way for you, then you should be happy that you found a tool that works - price has nothing to do with the quality of the tool and quality of the tool has nothing to do with how productive you are when you're using it.
- Spittie 13y ago
  I'm an Open/Libre software fan as well, and JetBrains is really friendly to this world. Their community edition (which, by the way, is awesome, even without the features from the Ultimate edition) is released under the Apache 2.0 license, and many of the features they develop end up in the community edition. The source code is here: http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/Download http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/Download For example, Google's Android Studio is built on top of IntelliJ IDEA community edition.
- dljsjr 13y ago
  You do know that they offer an Apache 2 licensed community edition of IDEA, which is the same IDE core as is used in all of their other products? http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/Home http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/Home
- sergiotapia 13y ago
  Disagree, the best tools are the ones that let me get home at 5:30pm every day and complete my work as fast as possible.
gdulli 13y ago
Be sure you're aware of the upgrade policy before buying a license. I used to be a PyCharm customer until I learned how the policy works. Last year the product was broken for me for about 6 months, and at the time the bug was fixed, my renewal would have been retroactive and cover a period of several months when I couldn't use the product. That wasn't acceptable, nor was paying the non-renewal price, since I'd have been otherwise willing to renew, so I stopped using the product.
- rdemmer 13y ago
  gdulli, Can't comment on what has happened up until this point, but if you are interested in having me dig into this to see what can be done email me at robert[dot]demmer[at]jetbrains[dot]com. Doesn't sound like our standard procedure.
  - gdulli 13y ago
    It seems like it's the normal policy based on this page, or did I misinterpret it? http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/buy/buy.jsp#renew http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/buy/buy.jsp#renew "Regardless of the actual upgrade subscription renewal date, your new upgrade subscription term will always start on the date following your previous upgrade subscription expiration date."
    - jasallen 13y ago
      Sounds to me like they are making the point that you won't be "double subscribed" if you renew early -- no overlapping terms. In other words, a good thing. Did you actually talk to anyone who told you you'd be out-of-luck, or just interpreted it from that page?
      - lost_name 13y ago
        On the other hand, I believe the product will not deactivate. So, if Version 2 is released on the last day of your subscription and you upgrade and let your subscription lapse, and version 3 is released 8 months later and you renew then, you sort of got a pass on the "down time" whereas active subscriptions would not.
henrik_w 13y ago
Echoing other sentiments here: IntelliJ IDEA really is great, a real productivity boost to use. More here: http://henrikwarne.com/2012/06/17/programmer-productivity-emacs-versus-intellij-idea/ http://henrikwarne.com/2012/06/17/programmer-productivity-em...
yawz 13y ago
This is a great initiative! I've been a long time IntelliJ IDEA user, among some other JetBrains products such as AppCode, Resharper, etc. They know how to build tools and it is money well-spent.
wpietri 13y ago
I'll add that they also have an individual license program. IntelliJ idea is $199 instead of $499. Rubymine and PhpStorm are $99 instead of $199. It's a great deal. I've been using their tools since 2001, and they've only gotten better.
hans0l074 13y ago
Purchased IntelliJ IDEA 12 for Java/JEE dev (personal license) last fall - and I will never return to Eclipse again (Used Eclipse for 6 years since Europa). I love this IDE and would recommend it to any Java developer.
kailuowang 13y ago
What many people didn't realize is that JetBrians' IDEs are not only IDEs but also amazing text editors. Its capability of navigating across multiple locations in your project is unparalleled. For example, you can navigate to where you last changed anything with a key stroke (and then the place you changed before that). It can also navigate to where your cursor last located (in a complete different file/location) with a key stroke. You can easily switch between all opened files or switching between all edited files. When you do a search all, you can use keystroke to switch between all hits at different locations. Not to mention that in IDE, you can go to declaration, find usages etc. All these are really important productivity booster. Because we all spend a significant amount of time navigating our code base. VIM is really a great editor with its programmable command line interface, but it's not as nearly easy to navigate code in VIM than in JetBrians IDE. JetBrians' integration with Git is also amazing, combined with its own local history system. In JetBrian IDEs, when I open file, any local change (according to git) will be marked at the left, a simply click can revert that particular local change. With the local history and auto save, I never need to worry about saving the files.
Wintamute 13y ago
I tried WebStorm for a while but didn't get on with it. Too many confusingly implemented IDE features hampered by sprawling settings menus. One too many times I hit upon a frustrating editor feature that seemed like it should be simple to tweak, but wasn't able to get it right. IMO a case of trying to cover too many frontend dev task use cases with not enough attention to UI/UX etc. This was a few versions ago though so maybe it got better and of course YMMV. I think I prefer a simpler and more transparently configurable IDE these days with any fancy stuff happening explicitly in a declarative build/watch script.
th3iedkid 13y ago
MPS is one good DSL platforms from jetbrain's. Has had quite a steep curve to learn for me, nevertheless wonderful platform to build a workbench on!
tijs 13y ago
Haha, they must be loving this thread over at Jetbrains. PyCharm user here since it came out. Tried just about everything else but after i started using PyCharm i haven't looked back. My only gripe is perhaps performance. If you want to run a reasonably large Django project in debug mode you better bring some serious hardware. My 2011 Macbook Air with 4GB was nowhere near fast enough to do that, have since upgraded to a 16GB pro and now it's fine.
- tostitos1979 13y ago
  PyCharm is impressive! However, I've found it a bit challenging to get some of my common use cases to work. For instance, I often type out a single python script. It seems I can't do this without a project :( Love the debugger too!
  - gorohoroh 13y ago
    It's true that PyCharm doesn't let you work with files out of project. AFAIK this should change later this year in all IntelliJ IDEA-based products including PyCharm.
henryw 13y ago
Webstorm/PHPStorm are the best tools that I've used. Their line of products are the only IDEs with working navigator panels for Backbone.js.

85 points by rdemmer 13y ago

JetBrains is super startup friendly. While we have been working on our IntelliJ plugin to edit with others in real time JetBrains has given us discounts, engineering help (via their forums), and we have even started talking to their business development team about getting our plugin more attention. They're also very responsive on Twitter. JetBrains is a great company, with good people. It's weird to me that as a long time vim user to be so happy with their editors. I still use vim for a lot of editing, but the features in IntelliJ and PyCharm and WebStorm and all the others are amazing. I don't use vim anymore to write Java. I use IntelliJ, because you hardly type. You just tell IntelliJ what you want and it writes your code for you, one piece at a time. Even with Python I'm finding myself using PyCharm more often. It's very good, especially for debugging.

theg2 13y ago

Can't recommend their software enough, totally worth the money for everything unless you're doing .NET. I mean...it's Visual Studio after all.

kasey_junk 13y ago
It's been a few years since I've done it, but when I was doing .NET development Jetbrains Resharper was an absolutely essential tool.
- bkmartin 13y ago
  And indeed it still is. Great product.

sergiotapia 13y ago

I can't recommend RubyMine enough. It's single-handedly the best developer tool I've ever had the joy of using. It handles RVM and RVM gemsets natively with ZERO configuration, integrates with Git history and pending changes, can connect to databases and view records IN THE IDE, you can open a terminal right there in the IDE for when you need to get down and dirty. And the shortcuts - dear lord the Shortcuts are a TIME SAVER. Cmd+Shift+O > Type in filename > Bam. You're there. Cmd+click object, you are taken to it's implementation or declaration automatically. Highly recommend RubyMine!

akx 13y ago
Not sure if RubyMine has this (yet), but hitting Shift twice opens "Search Everywhere" in my PyCharm, which is even faster than Ctrl+(Shift+(Alt+))N.
- btipling 13y ago
  Wow, I type Cmd+F for find in path, but I'll try double shift. The keyboard commands in PyCharm are much different from IntelliJ IDE, so not sure if RubyMine is also different.
- krisdol 13y ago
  Same result in RubyMine, thanks for the tip!
- pilif 13y ago
  Thank you SO MUCH for this. I had no idea. Whatever I do, I can't make my brain remember the various navigation keyboard shortcuts and guessing a file always felt better than moving to the mouse, opening the menu and thinking about the appropriate item to use. This is amazing. Very easy to reach shortcut and very broad search (while still being fast).
crusso 13y ago
I heartily recommend RubyMine as well. I was a vim Ruby developer for some time and convinced that no one was going to ever make a decent Rails development environment. RubyMine is well worth the price.
the_rosentotter 13y ago
Not to be a dick but... Those things are new to Ruby developers? It blows my mind how anyone could enjoy programming without the basest tool support.

dkhenry 13y ago

Actually you can apply to get their software free for use on open source projects. I got hooked on IDEA by using it for a Open Source project and now gladly pay for it to use on commercial software.

arikrak 13y ago

50% off is still more expensive than their price for individual licenses.

btipling 13y ago
You can't expense individual licenses. It's part of the terms.

davexunit 13y ago

The best dev tools in life are free (as in freedom).

zeroDivisible 13y ago
No, the best ones are the ones with which you're most productive with. I'm running Vim / IntelliJ Idea all day long for last few years and wouldn't ever get rid of one or the other. You can use a plugin to have some Vim-like capabilities in idea, but then - when it comes to working with text files (not project files) / ssh / work on remote servers, Vim is my tool to go. If Notepad or Visual Studio works the same way for you, then you should be happy that you found a tool that works - price has nothing to do with the quality of the tool and quality of the tool has nothing to do with how productive you are when you're using it.
Spittie 13y ago
I'm an Open/Libre software fan as well, and JetBrains is really friendly to this world. Their community edition (which, by the way, is awesome, even without the features from the Ultimate edition) is released under the Apache 2.0 license, and many of the features they develop end up in the community edition. The source code is here: http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/Download http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/Download For example, Google's Android Studio is built on top of IntelliJ IDEA community edition.
dljsjr 13y ago
You do know that they offer an Apache 2 licensed community edition of IDEA, which is the same IDE core as is used in all of their other products? http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/Home http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/Home
sergiotapia 13y ago
Disagree, the best tools are the ones that let me get home at 5:30pm every day and complete my work as fast as possible.

gdulli 13y ago

Be sure you're aware of the upgrade policy before buying a license. I used to be a PyCharm customer until I learned how the policy works. Last year the product was broken for me for about 6 months, and at the time the bug was fixed, my renewal would have been retroactive and cover a period of several months when I couldn't use the product. That wasn't acceptable, nor was paying the non-renewal price, since I'd have been otherwise willing to renew, so I stopped using the product.

rdemmer 13y ago
gdulli, Can't comment on what has happened up until this point, but if you are interested in having me dig into this to see what can be done email me at robert[dot]demmer[at]jetbrains[dot]com. Doesn't sound like our standard procedure.
- gdulli 13y ago
  It seems like it's the normal policy based on this page, or did I misinterpret it? http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/buy/buy.jsp#renew http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/buy/buy.jsp#renew "Regardless of the actual upgrade subscription renewal date, your new upgrade subscription term will always start on the date following your previous upgrade subscription expiration date."
  - jasallen 13y ago
    Sounds to me like they are making the point that you won't be "double subscribed" if you renew early -- no overlapping terms. In other words, a good thing. Did you actually talk to anyone who told you you'd be out-of-luck, or just interpreted it from that page?
    - lost_name 13y ago
      On the other hand, I believe the product will not deactivate. So, if Version 2 is released on the last day of your subscription and you upgrade and let your subscription lapse, and version 3 is released 8 months later and you renew then, you sort of got a pass on the "down time" whereas active subscriptions would not.

henrik_w 13y ago

Echoing other sentiments here: IntelliJ IDEA really is great, a real productivity boost to use. More here: http://henrikwarne.com/2012/06/17/programmer-productivity-emacs-versus-intellij-idea/ http://henrikwarne.com/2012/06/17/programmer-productivity-em...

yawz 13y ago

This is a great initiative! I've been a long time IntelliJ IDEA user, among some other JetBrains products such as AppCode, Resharper, etc. They know how to build tools and it is money well-spent.

wpietri 13y ago

I'll add that they also have an individual license program. IntelliJ idea is $199 instead of $499. Rubymine and PhpStorm are $99 instead of $199. It's a great deal. I've been using their tools since 2001, and they've only gotten better.

hans0l074 13y ago

Purchased IntelliJ IDEA 12 for Java/JEE dev (personal license) last fall - and I will never return to Eclipse again (Used Eclipse for 6 years since Europa). I love this IDE and would recommend it to any Java developer.

kailuowang 13y ago

What many people didn't realize is that JetBrians' IDEs are not only IDEs but also amazing text editors. Its capability of navigating across multiple locations in your project is unparalleled. For example, you can navigate to where you last changed anything with a key stroke (and then the place you changed before that). It can also navigate to where your cursor last located (in a complete different file/location) with a key stroke. You can easily switch between all opened files or switching between all edited files. When you do a search all, you can use keystroke to switch between all hits at different locations. Not to mention that in IDE, you can go to declaration, find usages etc. All these are really important productivity booster. Because we all spend a significant amount of time navigating our code base. VIM is really a great editor with its programmable command line interface, but it's not as nearly easy to navigate code in VIM than in JetBrians IDE. JetBrians' integration with Git is also amazing, combined with its own local history system. In JetBrian IDEs, when I open file, any local change (according to git) will be marked at the left, a simply click can revert that particular local change. With the local history and auto save, I never need to worry about saving the files.

Wintamute 13y ago

I tried WebStorm for a while but didn't get on with it. Too many confusingly implemented IDE features hampered by sprawling settings menus. One too many times I hit upon a frustrating editor feature that seemed like it should be simple to tweak, but wasn't able to get it right. IMO a case of trying to cover too many frontend dev task use cases with not enough attention to UI/UX etc. This was a few versions ago though so maybe it got better and of course YMMV. I think I prefer a simpler and more transparently configurable IDE these days with any fancy stuff happening explicitly in a declarative build/watch script.

th3iedkid 13y ago

MPS is one good DSL platforms from jetbrain's. Has had quite a steep curve to learn for me, nevertheless wonderful platform to build a workbench on!

tijs 13y ago

Haha, they must be loving this thread over at Jetbrains. PyCharm user here since it came out. Tried just about everything else but after i started using PyCharm i haven't looked back. My only gripe is perhaps performance. If you want to run a reasonably large Django project in debug mode you better bring some serious hardware. My 2011 Macbook Air with 4GB was nowhere near fast enough to do that, have since upgraded to a 16GB pro and now it's fine.

tostitos1979 13y ago
PyCharm is impressive! However, I've found it a bit challenging to get some of my common use cases to work. For instance, I often type out a single python script. It seems I can't do this without a project :( Love the debugger too!
- gorohoroh 13y ago
  It's true that PyCharm doesn't let you work with files out of project. AFAIK this should change later this year in all IntelliJ IDEA-based products including PyCharm.

henryw 13y ago

Webstorm/PHPStorm are the best tools that I've used. Their line of products are the only IDEs with working navigator panels for Backbone.js.