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Am I the only one OK with "cheating"? The line between what is "tool assisted", "bot" etc. is entirely artificial, just like "no drugs" is artificial and awkwa
by nfoz 13y ago
Am I the only one OK with "cheating"?
The line between what is "tool assisted", "bot" etc. is entirely artificial, just like "no drugs" is artificial and awkward to deal with in sports. If you're spending $1000 on a fancy computer mouse with special buttons, I don't see why that's much different than if I code myself a smarter mouse driver that autosnaps to enemy faces.
The intellectual exercise of botting is fantastic anyway, and I'd rather see my gamer friends doing that than playing the games vanilla ;)
Online games require a gentleman's agreement about what is OK behaviour. Individual communities should be hosting their own game server instance and allowing people in that follow their friendly rules.
The idea that I'm "not allowed" to "bot" a game is offensive to me in the way that "no reverse engineering" clauses in license agreements are offensive. I do love playing games, and don't normally bot anything (except netcraft this one time.. o_O), I concede there's a conflict here, but I err on the side of my personal liberty rather than convenience of playing games. I wish others would do the same...
- eddieroger 13y agoI don't have a problem with "cheating" in the sense you described it, but I want to know if I'm playing against people who are using it, and I appreciate the option to not play with those folks. When I sit down to TF2, I'm not looking to compete with the best reverse engineers, or the folks who throw the most money at their games (in the case of Valve mentioning buying hacks) - in fact, I'm not looking to compete at all. I just want to relax and have fun playing the game, and I can't if I'm being hacked to death.
- jsheard 13y agoYou have always been able to host Valve game servers with VAC disabled. If you want to play a game of "who has the variables on their hack set higher" without getting banned then knock yourself out.
- lost_name 13y agoI'm not sure how many games have done this, but the concept of the "cheater's island" came up somewhat recently -- I want to say Max Payne 3 did this first, but I'm not sure. Basically, players who have been detected as cheaters only end up with other players who cheat. The problem is once you're on the island, you're probably not getting out. I personally favor this solution over the outright banning of players.
- oakwhiz 13y agoThis is similar to the practice of "hellbanning" but I think it is a more friendly solution. Valve's VAC system is similar because VAC-banned players are still able to play on non-VAC servers (with other cheaters and pirates.)
- Dylan16807 13y agoYou're crazy. Fancy mice don't improve your performance in any notable way. And the 'agreement about what is OK' is how it already works. Nobody says you're 'not allowed' to cheat, you just won't be allowed on certain servers while doing so.