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Persona fails to solve a problem which either end-users or people who operate websites for profit actually have. I disagree. The end user benefits from being a

Persona fails to solve a problem which either end-users or people who operate websites for profit actually have. I disagree. The end user benefits from being able to quickly sign up to a service without having to validate his/her email address. The developers benefit from not having to store passwords.

zanny 13y ago
The point is that the developers that would give Persona visibility in the broader market are the kind that don't care to invest the time to make an (albeit usually insecure) password database. Big sites aren't using Persona and apparently that is why Mozilla sees it as a failure.
tel 13y ago
And Facebook connect already provides that.
- workhere-io 13y ago
  Sure, but Facebook has a number of problems as a general-purpose login mechanism: A. Not everyone has an FB account. B. Those that do don't always trust that logging in with FB won't mean that the website they're logging in to will spam their wall.
  - e12e 13y ago
    C Self-hosting it would be problematic, if/when using FB isn't an option
- quadrangle 13y ago
  And Persona says: "how can we get Facebook connect without requiring Facebook and without any privacy problems?"
  - DannyBee 13y ago
    But sites apparently don't care about this enough to want it, and users apparently don't care enough to demand it. So how does it solve a problem these sites actually have? Some small percentage of end users have this problem (the ones demanding a solution to privacy problems), but the rest don't think it's a problem, apparently. (Surveys up the wazoo that show that people care about whatever mean nothing when people don't actually change their behavior)
    - quadrangle 13y ago
      > But sites apparently don't care about this enough to want it, and users apparently don't care enough to demand it. That's not apparent at all. As far as I know, lots of people never even heard of Persona. I thought it was still beta. It's just in the works, so it makes sense not everyone jumped on board. There wasn't tons of marketing even.
- quadrangle 13y ago
  And Persona says: "how can we get Facebook connect without requiring Facebook and without any privacy problems?"
- cardiffspaceman 13y ago
  The sense you'd have to have today is that if you sign in with Facebook credentials your profile picture will appear on all your friends' timelines next to a made-up quote about how you really love the site when you don't even have an opinion about it yet.

zanny 13y ago

The point is that the developers that would give Persona visibility in the broader market are the kind that don't care to invest the time to make an (albeit usually insecure) password database. Big sites aren't using Persona and apparently that is why Mozilla sees it as a failure.

tel 13y ago

And Facebook connect already provides that.

workhere-io 13y ago
Sure, but Facebook has a number of problems as a general-purpose login mechanism: A. Not everyone has an FB account. B. Those that do don't always trust that logging in with FB won't mean that the website they're logging in to will spam their wall.
- e12e 13y ago
  C Self-hosting it would be problematic, if/when using FB isn't an option
quadrangle 13y ago
And Persona says: "how can we get Facebook connect without requiring Facebook and without any privacy problems?"
- DannyBee 13y ago
  But sites apparently don't care about this enough to want it, and users apparently don't care enough to demand it. So how does it solve a problem these sites actually have? Some small percentage of end users have this problem (the ones demanding a solution to privacy problems), but the rest don't think it's a problem, apparently. (Surveys up the wazoo that show that people care about whatever mean nothing when people don't actually change their behavior)
  - quadrangle 13y ago
    > But sites apparently don't care about this enough to want it, and users apparently don't care enough to demand it. That's not apparent at all. As far as I know, lots of people never even heard of Persona. I thought it was still beta. It's just in the works, so it makes sense not everyone jumped on board. There wasn't tons of marketing even.
quadrangle 13y ago
And Persona says: "how can we get Facebook connect without requiring Facebook and without any privacy problems?"
cardiffspaceman 13y ago
The sense you'd have to have today is that if you sign in with Facebook credentials your profile picture will appear on all your friends' timelines next to a made-up quote about how you really love the site when you don't even have an opinion about it yet.