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Right.. That "national scam" is working great all over Europe. It's cool when you can pay your treatments, but cancer treatments are in the 6 figure range - enj

by halfdan 13y ago

Right.. That "national scam" is working great all over Europe. It's cool when you can pay your treatments, but cancer treatments are in the 6 figure range - enjoy paying that from you bank account.

piyush_soni 13y ago
The funny thing is, at least here in the US, even if you have medical insurance you are totally ripped off your pockets if you have something like cancer. Mostly, you just don't pay the price which was anyway artificially inflated by this scam I'm talking about. There was an article only a few days back about this guy who had his appendix treated: http://imgur.com/a/WIfeN http://imgur.com/a/WIfeN He had to pay $11k out of the total $55k bill, rest was paid by insurance. ($7000 for a CT scan? $4500 worth of Anesthesia? I'd be surprised if one still doesn't think these are artificially inflated prices) I'm not sure how much would he be charged if this whole insurance thing was not there - may be ~$11k? (Just for the curious: In India, that operation in the best of hospitals would have cost him may be around $1600 without insurance. With insurance, he'd save most of even that. )
- plaguuuuuu 13y ago
  On the other hand, if you adjust the costs for purchasing power, the unfortunate result is that most of the people are pretty much fucked. In fact the US would look cheaper for the majority of the population. Which is comparing against a low bar. I don't think you could classify that as a working system.
  - piyush_soni 13y ago
    >On the other hand, if you adjust the costs for purchasing power, the unfortunate result is that most of the people are pretty much fucked. They are not. As I said, this was the cost in the best of hospitals. In government hospitals, poor people get medical care for a fraction of it. Of course, the health care system is still not good, but I'm convinced that a US like system of insurance is not a solution either. Canada and some other countries have it much better. >In fact the US would look cheaper for the majority of the population. No, it's not. Had this system been working, millions of Americans wouldn't go outside USA to get basic treatment (many of them go to India). Something is fundamentally wrong here ([1], [2], [3], [4]). [1] 7.5 Million US residents travel abroad for care each year: http://www.cdc.gov/features/medicaltourism/ http://www.cdc.gov/features/medicaltourism/ [2] Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies: Study : http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148 http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148 [3] Why U.S. Health Care Is Obscenely Expensive, In 12 Charts : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/health-care-costs-_n_3998425.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/health-care-costs-_... [4] 'Medical tourism' draws Americans to India : http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/travelers-notebook/2013/aug/18/medical-tourism-draws-americans-india/ http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/traveler...
    - adventured 13y ago
      I agree with some of your points here, but this has to be noted. It's not 7.5 million US residents per year, it's 750,000. And this: "The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011, as wait times increased 104 percent — more than double — compared with statistics from 1993." Calculated upwards, that would be 404,000 or so on a population equal basis with the US. A lot of Canadians are seeking treatment abroad too.
      - piyush_soni 13y ago
        Humm ... That's a mistake on my part. But this is because I'd seen another article from 2009 [5] which clearly said it was 6 million. And this article was from 2014 so I quickly read that as 7.5 million. [5] http://news.health.com/2009/04/08/traveling-treatment/ http://news.health.com/2009/04/08/traveling-treatment/
- cowls 13y ago
  That image is insane. $7,500 for a couple of hours in a recovery room. Not sure how that can be justified, they're clearly just getting as much money out of people as possible. As the services are not exactly optional.

by halfdan 13y ago

Right.. That "national scam" is working great all over Europe. It's cool when you can pay your treatments, but cancer treatments are in the 6 figure range - enjoy paying that from you bank account.

piyush_soni 13y ago

The funny thing is, at least here in the US, even if you have medical insurance you are totally ripped off your pockets if you have something like cancer. Mostly, you just don't pay the price which was anyway artificially inflated by this scam I'm talking about. There was an article only a few days back about this guy who had his appendix treated: http://imgur.com/a/WIfeN http://imgur.com/a/WIfeN He had to pay $11k out of the total $55k bill, rest was paid by insurance. ($7000 for a CT scan? $4500 worth of Anesthesia? I'd be surprised if one still doesn't think these are artificially inflated prices) I'm not sure how much would he be charged if this whole insurance thing was not there - may be ~$11k? (Just for the curious: In India, that operation in the best of hospitals would have cost him may be around $1600 without insurance. With insurance, he'd save most of even that. )

plaguuuuuu 13y ago
On the other hand, if you adjust the costs for purchasing power, the unfortunate result is that most of the people are pretty much fucked. In fact the US would look cheaper for the majority of the population. Which is comparing against a low bar. I don't think you could classify that as a working system.
- piyush_soni 13y ago
  >On the other hand, if you adjust the costs for purchasing power, the unfortunate result is that most of the people are pretty much fucked. They are not. As I said, this was the cost in the best of hospitals. In government hospitals, poor people get medical care for a fraction of it. Of course, the health care system is still not good, but I'm convinced that a US like system of insurance is not a solution either. Canada and some other countries have it much better. >In fact the US would look cheaper for the majority of the population. No, it's not. Had this system been working, millions of Americans wouldn't go outside USA to get basic treatment (many of them go to India). Something is fundamentally wrong here ([1], [2], [3], [4]). [1] 7.5 Million US residents travel abroad for care each year: http://www.cdc.gov/features/medicaltourism/ http://www.cdc.gov/features/medicaltourism/ [2] Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies: Study : http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148 http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148 [3] Why U.S. Health Care Is Obscenely Expensive, In 12 Charts : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/health-care-costs-_n_3998425.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/health-care-costs-_... [4] 'Medical tourism' draws Americans to India : http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/travelers-notebook/2013/aug/18/medical-tourism-draws-americans-india/ http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/traveler...
  - adventured 13y ago
    I agree with some of your points here, but this has to be noted. It's not 7.5 million US residents per year, it's 750,000. And this: "The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011, as wait times increased 104 percent — more than double — compared with statistics from 1993." Calculated upwards, that would be 404,000 or so on a population equal basis with the US. A lot of Canadians are seeking treatment abroad too.
    - piyush_soni 13y ago
      Humm ... That's a mistake on my part. But this is because I'd seen another article from 2009 [5] which clearly said it was 6 million. And this article was from 2014 so I quickly read that as 7.5 million. [5] http://news.health.com/2009/04/08/traveling-treatment/ http://news.health.com/2009/04/08/traveling-treatment/
cowls 13y ago
That image is insane. $7,500 for a couple of hours in a recovery room. Not sure how that can be justified, they're clearly just getting as much money out of people as possible. As the services are not exactly optional.