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Google’s IPv6 Stats Pass 3% Less Than 5 Months After Passing 2%
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- kseistrup 13y agoSource ⌘ https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
- omni 13y agoAnd the award for most confusing headline goes to!
- mojuba 13y agoShould've been ...pass 3% in less than 5 months...
- ihsw 13y agoIt would be wonderful to see a contrast with non-human internet users -- I seem to recall an article recently saying that bots now utilize more port-80/port-443 bandwidth than humans do, and that the trend will only get more skewed from now on.
- innoying 13y agoThat report was incorrect, but it would be interesting to see that data.
- motbob 13y agoI have no idea how facetious the author of this article is being.
- dublinben 13y ago>Prior to that it had taken 11 months to go from 1% to 2%. I don't think they're being facetious at all. The Internet Society cares about things like this.
- davewongillies 13y agoThen why did they have to start the article with "Oh GOD This is SO Boring. Please Kill Me!"?
- rz2k 13y ago2, 3, 4.5, 6.75, 10.125 ... At that rate it would exceed 100% in four years. Chances are that there will be something like a tipping point well before that, and it obviously won't exceed 100%, but that increase from 2% to 3% is a 50% increase, and promising in terms of future growth if not in current level of adoption.
- mikecb 13y agoI would not have expected US to be at 6.5%, though I suppose vzw helps a lot.
- selectodude 13y agoComcast, as well.
- mikecb 13y agoThough for some reason they're going state by state.
- ScottWhigham 13y agoWonder if the timing has anything to do with companies upgrading networks/equipment over Christmas/New Year holidays? For the US at least, a lot of workers take off significant amounts of time during then so it's often a good time to upgrade or perform maintenance. December 24: 2.57%. January 25th: 2.92 %
- aroch 13y agoI'm happy to say my ~20 odd devices made the move to IPv6 this month
- eterm 13y agoIt's interesting how seasonal this data is. There's a massive spike on weekend traffic. Is this because there's a lot less overall traffic on the weekend and the IPv6 part is fairly constant, or is there some other reason why IPv6 traffic should spike* during the weekends? *As a proportion. It jumps about 50 basis points on the weekend.
- danyork 13y agoI was puzzled about this at first, but my guess is that the weekend spikes are because people are going home and accessing Google's services from residential networks where many ISPs have started to roll out IPv6. Then on Monday people go back to work where there may be less IPv6 access.
- nandhp 13y agoAlso, there's a long spike over Christmas/New Year's.
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- chimeracoder 13y agoI'm curious how much of this is due to mobile devices. For as long as I can remember, I have had IPv6 addresses on both Verizon and T-Mobile (though only T-mobile allows IPv6 traffic as of last year: http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/145765-ipv6-makes-mobile-networks-faster http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/145765-ipv6-makes-mobile-n...)
- danyork 13y agoI think mobile networks do play a good bit of a role here. My iPhone 5s is on Verizon's LTE network and connects over IPv6 to sites. If you look at the latest World IPv6 Launch measurements from Jan 16, you can see that 40% of the traffic that was measured coming from Verizon Wireless' network was coming over IPv6 - http://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/ http://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/ (Those measurements show the % of IPv6 traffic from various operator networks seen by Akamai, Facebook, Google and Yahoo.)
- lelandbatey 13y agoI will say just from a user standpoint, ipv6 is amazing. I recently made the switch to ipv6 on as many of my devices as possible purely because I can then access all of them directly, no network finangling. Since all my devices have publicly visible ipv6 addresses, I can access them e.g. laptop.lelandbatey.com homedesktop.lelandbatey.com phone.lelandbatey.com because I use tunnel brokers, sometimes the speeds not amazing, but the fact that I can connect at all makes it awesome. Also, those example hostnames are fake : )
- pedrocr 13y agoI deploy tinc[1] automatically in my base puppet config to give me direct connection over normal ipv4. It's a private network though so it won't work from a device I don't control as yours probably do. [1] http://tinc-vpn.org/ http://tinc-vpn.org/
- lifeisstillgood 13y agoI do have to ask - what's a tunnel broker, aren't you worried about security of those devices and - is it really that useful? Edit - if it is really that useful, is it not instead the death of cloud storage?
- TillE 13y ago6to4, SixXS, 6RD, and 6in4 are tunnels that are usable by pretty much anyone anywhere right now, as opposed to native IPv6. It helps if your router supports them, of course. Cloud storage is really nice when your home PC is switched off, or a hard drive crashes, or your computer catches on fire. Other than those sorts of problems, BitTorrent Sync can already do pretty much everything you want over IPv4.
- lelandbatey 13y agoThe TL;DR of "what a tunnel broker is" is not something that I'm totally qualified to explain, but how I approach it is: A tunnel broker is like VPN/proxy that allows you to connect to the IPv6 web over IPv4. It adds latency to my connection (because all my IPv6 data goes from me, over IPv4 to the tunnel broker who then routes my data the rest of the way to where it's going), but for me it's worth it. In terms of security, my machines are run largely the same as any server: locked down, except when for the things I need. It helps that I only do this for *nix devices as well.
- IgorPartola 13y agoThis is somewhat unrelated to the stats, but is related to IPv6: If you have experienced issues with YouTube videos because your TelCo ISP is messing with the routing, give an IPv6 tunnel a try. I have found that it works great and my last two ISP's (TWC and Comcast) have not yet gone to the point of deliberately slowing down IPv6 or YouTube over IPv6.
- IgorPartola 13y agoIf you already have IPv6, check out this Chrome plugin (not mine, just a user) that tells you which IP version you are using to access a site: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ipvfoo/ecanpcehffngcegjmadlcijfolapggal https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ipvfoo/ecanpcehffn....
- danyork 13y agoThere is also an "IPvFox" version for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ipvfox/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ipvfox/ I have this installed in both Chrome and Firefox and its great to see which websites are available over IPv6 and which are not. (such as HN, sadly)
- AznHisoka 13y agoIt's all because someone decided to buy a ton of cheap 1c IPV6 proxies to scrape Google's search results.
- AceJohnny2 13y agoGood, I hope the trend continues to accelerate. That said, I recently had to disable IPv6 on my parent's ISP for bandwidth reasons. They live in France and are served by Free[1], who enabled IPv6 a few years ago. This christmas, I was surprised by their terrible bandwidth, which was worse in the middle of Paris than something in a village in the alps! I ultimitely traced it to the IPv6 option, though I didn't do deeper tracing to find out why. I suppose it's because many legacy backbone routers don't handle IPv6 at their top capacity, as they have HW to accelerate IPv4 but not IPv6. See for example the question "What is the difference between hardware and software IPv6 acceleration?" in this FAQ at Cisco: [2]. [1]: http://www.free.fr http://www.free.fr [2]: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6553/prod_qas0900aecd803715bf.html http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/p...
- mritun 13y agoHW acceleration won't matter at residential network speeds. It's mostly useful for edge/core routers handling traffic in excess of million PPS.
- ajb 13y agoA lot of home gateways have really feeble cpus and rely on HW acceleration to process packets.
- jrockway 13y agoSoftware on feeble CPUs does OK up to 100Mbps or so, and I doubt he's complaining about problems at that speed. (I have a 5+-year-old Geode-based router at home, and it can do full pf rule evaluation and forwarding at about 300Mbps.)
- zurn 13y agoWhen you communicate over the Internet, your traffic will typically pass through some backbone routers.
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- alimoeeny 13y agoWhy ipV6 traffic is larger on weekends? see the graph by google, it is periodic and if you zoom in peaks are on weekends
- skrause 13y agoPeople probably don't watch as many YouTube videos at work or school.
- danyork 13y agoThere's an earlier comment thread on this question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7212411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7212411 Probably relates to people being at home accessing Google's services over residential networks.
- Gracana 13y agoHooray. All my servers have gobs of IPv6 addresses, but I've yet to get that IPv6-y goodness in my home. I think that part is a long way off.
- IgorPartola 13y agoNot as long as you think. Check out TunnelBroker.net and SixXS.
- Gracana 13y agoHuhhhmmm. Interesting. I already have a linux WLAN gateway between my desktop computer and my router, I guess I could set up the tunnel there and it would be pretty much hassle-free. Thanks for the link.
- IgorPartola 13y agoYes. Depending on the type of tunnel and the provider you may have to put your Linux gateway into the DMZ. The one type that does not require this is AYIYA (Anything-in-Anything) from SixXS. Here it will be using putting IPv6 into IPv4/UDP packets which traverse your NAT transparently. All other tunnel types use IPv6-in-IPv4 directly, so they don't know anything about the IPv4 NAT. This is called protocol 41 (the version number for 6in4, see http://www.iana.org/assignments/protocol-numbers/protocol-numbers.xhtml http://www.iana.org/assignments/protocol-numbers/protocol-nu...). If you run into trouble, email me; my address is in the profile.
- oasisbob 13y agoI'm guessing that Google's new "Reduce Bandwidth Usage" setting is helping to increase the IPv6 utilization metric. (It was released in January.) [1] eg, with the setting enabled (Chrome/iPhone), http://test-ipv6.com http://test-ipv6.com shows a User Agent / v6 address corresponding to Google's proxy farm. [1] https://developers.google.com/chrome/mobile/docs/data-compression https://developers.google.com/chrome/mobile/docs/data-compre...
- BorisMelnik 13y agoquestion: percentage-wise, how many addresses in the IPv6 scheme have we used so far?
- justincormack 13y ago0% near enough! In reality it is more complex as the address space is split in two, the bottom 64 bits rarely has any density, only a few devices. End users get a /64 or a /48 (or a few); a VPS will probably get a /64 by default.
- TheCoelacanth 13y agoEven counting by percentage of /48 blocks allocated, it's still approximately 0%. There are roughly 40 thousand /48 blocks per person in the world.
- BorisMelnik 13y agoWell that is reassuring. For a second there I thought I read that "3% of the address space was used up" but I knew that couldn't be true. I remember learning about IPV4 back in Computer Science class and having to learn subnets and everything. This seems way more confusing!
- computer 13y agoSo, do all your (startup's) domains have AAAA records yet, and servers IPv6? I just enabled IPv6 on my stuff, which took much less work than expected.
- SwellJoe 13y agoOddly enough we don't, though we added full IPv6 support to our products (which are management tools for hosting providers) years ago, and years before any of our competitors. So, I feel kinda silly for not taking that to the next step and actually enabling IPv6 for our own website. Gonna get on that problem this week.
- wtbob 13y agoSadly, I downgraded my network from IPv5 to IPv4 this weekend, since I couldn't quickly figure out how to get OpenWRT to hand out correct IPv6 addresses. Maybe I'll work on that again this weekend.
- exabrial 13y agoIPv6 hater here... I'm armed with my asbestos underwear so flame away. The best advice about IPv6 is to just disable it. IETF designed a terrible protocol that doesn't even address the underlying major issue: routing table size. Instead they just made it much worse. You won't see me deploying IPV6 for another 20-30 years at least. Hoping it's replaced by something actually usable by then.
- lloeki 13y agoI've got native IPv6 at home and we enabled IPv6 on all services at work (hosting web applications and services) and we have zero issues. IPv6 solves a staggering number of architecture problems for us compared to IPv4. For us IPv6 is a net positive. See? no flame.
- ipv6curious 13y agoCould you please give some examples of the problems IPv6 solve for you?
- zaphoyd 13y agoMarginal Cost. IPv4 addresses are expensive, IPv6 practically free. Direct addressability. Removes the need for slow, expensive intermediaries like NAT boxes and certain types of proxies by allowing security policies to be applied independently of network addressing. Simplified network planning. Enough address space to make an address layout based on your actual needs rather than being forced to carve up your limited v4 allocation in weird ways. You no longer have to guess what the right long term size of your subnets are (they are always big enough) or worry about putting unrelated machines on the same subnet because you are out of space for new subnets.