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Wait, they what? Bing and Surface I can understand to a degree, but they want Microsoft to kill Xbox, one of their strongest brands, and one of Microsoft's onl

Wait, they what? Bing and Surface I can understand to a degree, but they want Microsoft to kill Xbox, one of their strongest brands, and one of Microsoft's only hopes for differentiation? For what, to chase the smartphone game or something?

adamors 13y ago
Considering just how big of a financial black hole Xbox has been throughout the years, it's not surprising. Some sources say the 360 lost about 3 billion[1] while others that it lost 2.5 billion PER year[2]. The Xbone lost about 1 billion dollars so far (was expected to lose 2)[3] And it's not just Microsoft that is losing money on these consoles, Sony is in the read as well. [4] [1]: http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-h... [2]: http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billio... [3]: http://bgr.com/2013/11/26/xbox-one-profit-estimate/ http://bgr.com/2013/11/26/xbox-one-profit-estimate/ [4]: http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-total-8-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/ http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-tota...
- hershel 13y ago
  Why should MS invest in hardware, when PC's offer better hardware, run the windows store to share profit with MS and have good enough DRM(as steam shows, and might even be improved by working with pc manufacturers) ? Most likely in the future, MS will do something similar to steam - just sell software for so called "consoles", and have hardware partners. That will help with the losses issues.
  - Already__Taken 13y ago
    I think there's a case for MS to make hardware either to show what top notch PC kit looks like or a cheap minimum to stop OEMs pumping out worse than that. MS don't need to make the consumer device everyone has they just have to force OEMs to not make piles of crap. In a way I think intel kind of own how well MS can perform with hardware. If they didn't push utlrabooks I don't know if we would have gotten anything in the pc space as well built as some apple kit.
  - adamors 13y ago
    I honestly don't know, especially with Valve's Steambox on the way. It was a losing fight from the beginning, and this generation is already doomed right from the start.
    - hershel 13y ago
      But valve is doomed because of linux. MS don't have this problem. They could easily merge xbox + windows on a steam like platform if they wanted to .
      - rhodimus 13y ago
        That is pretty much what Games for Windows Live is/was. It didn't go very well.
      - actsasbuffoon 13y ago
        Can you clarify this statement? In what way is Valve doomed because of Linux?
- adventured 13y ago
  The $2.5 billion per year figure is of course beyond silly. That'd be $20+ billion, off of 80 million consoles, or $250+ per console (an impossible figure right off the bat; their per unit losses from day one were lower than that). $3 billion in losses over eight or nine years is irrelevant, literally, to Microsoft's fiscal picture. They have $84 billion in cash, and are compiling another $25 billion every year. Their ability to stay in the game financially, has helped result in the death of Nintendo when it comes to hardware, eliminating a big competitor. Microsoft can fund these losses forever so long as there is a good strategic reason for it (Sony on the other hand cannot).

adamors 13y ago

Considering just how big of a financial black hole Xbox has been throughout the years, it's not surprising. Some sources say the 360 lost about 3 billion[1] while others that it lost 2.5 billion PER year[2]. The Xbone lost about 1 billion dollars so far (was expected to lose 2)[3] And it's not just Microsoft that is losing money on these consoles, Sony is in the read as well. [4] [1]: http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-h... [2]: http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billio... [3]: http://bgr.com/2013/11/26/xbox-one-profit-estimate/ http://bgr.com/2013/11/26/xbox-one-profit-estimate/ [4]: http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-total-8-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/ http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-tota...

hershel 13y ago
Why should MS invest in hardware, when PC's offer better hardware, run the windows store to share profit with MS and have good enough DRM(as steam shows, and might even be improved by working with pc manufacturers) ? Most likely in the future, MS will do something similar to steam - just sell software for so called "consoles", and have hardware partners. That will help with the losses issues.
- Already__Taken 13y ago
  I think there's a case for MS to make hardware either to show what top notch PC kit looks like or a cheap minimum to stop OEMs pumping out worse than that. MS don't need to make the consumer device everyone has they just have to force OEMs to not make piles of crap. In a way I think intel kind of own how well MS can perform with hardware. If they didn't push utlrabooks I don't know if we would have gotten anything in the pc space as well built as some apple kit.
- adamors 13y ago
  I honestly don't know, especially with Valve's Steambox on the way. It was a losing fight from the beginning, and this generation is already doomed right from the start.
  - hershel 13y ago
    But valve is doomed because of linux. MS don't have this problem. They could easily merge xbox + windows on a steam like platform if they wanted to .
    - rhodimus 13y ago
      That is pretty much what Games for Windows Live is/was. It didn't go very well.
    - actsasbuffoon 13y ago
      Can you clarify this statement? In what way is Valve doomed because of Linux?
adventured 13y ago
The $2.5 billion per year figure is of course beyond silly. That'd be $20+ billion, off of 80 million consoles, or $250+ per console (an impossible figure right off the bat; their per unit losses from day one were lower than that). $3 billion in losses over eight or nine years is irrelevant, literally, to Microsoft's fiscal picture. They have $84 billion in cash, and are compiling another $25 billion every year. Their ability to stay in the game financially, has helped result in the death of Nintendo when it comes to hardware, eliminating a big competitor. Microsoft can fund these losses forever so long as there is a good strategic reason for it (Sony on the other hand cannot).