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I frequently go to the factories in Guangzhou and deal with the workers there. The housing is not substandard. There are employee dorms and employee cafeteria
by robotrout 17y ago
I frequently go to the factories in Guangzhou and deal with the workers there.
The housing is not substandard. There are employee dorms and employee cafeterias at every factory I've been to. These things are completely self contained. I've toured them, and they're like college dorms. The workers stay there, in the dorms and eat there. They're not prisoners. Everybody goes back home, (often over a thousand miles) every year for Chinese New Year, for example. They also leave the factory grounds in the evening, just like you'd leave a college campus you lived on to hang out downtown.
Now, all that said, the competition for those jobs, I think, is quite intense. I've been repeatedly impressed by the level of dedication in the engineering staffs I've worked with. You say you need a fixture modified to allow a certain PCB component to be tested in a different way, and they're back in 30 minutes with the changed fixture, for example. Those engineers make things happen in minutes, not days. It's quite motivational to be among them. However, I'm sure there's a certain fear component that's driving them. It's a very good job, and they don't want to lose it. I'm not certain how such a thing can be addressed. It's just a function of the supply and demand of factory jobs.
I also sense a bit of colonialism mentality in many of my fellow engineers when we travel over there. We're smart, and they're idiots, is an attitude that is almost constant among western engineers dealing with Chinese factories. It's your typical client/vendor bullying, but multiplied by 5 due to this attitude. When you bully the factory manager, he'll pass that down the line, I'm sure.
Now, I've never worked with Apple, but I'm told it's a bit scary there. Lot's of pressure, even for the American engineers to perform to perfection. I imagine being an Apple vendor is a bit of a nightmare, and a Chinese vendor, of course is bullied by normal companies, so an Apple Chinese vendor, I have to assume, is in hell.
Couple all that together, and I can imagine this kid being pretty stressed out.
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- timr 17y agoOkay, that's an anecdote. But the problem is that you may well be seeing a good factory. There are thousands of others that you aren't seeing. You also aren't seeing what they don't want to show you. There have been plenty of documentaries and articles about human rights abuses at Chinese factories over the years. Google for it. It isn't fiction. Maybe the electronics industry is an island of civility of in the midst of a sea of corruption and abuse, but somehow, I doubt it. In a country where people are tainting food with plastic to pinch a penny, I don't give the benefit of the doubt.
- onreact-com 17y ago"financial exploitation, physical exploitation, and psychological exploitation and we’re all part of it" Yes, we are. Even if the factories are "no prisons" etc. People in China live in the factories and sleep in dorms because they work 7 days a week for a wage that does not even allow them to pay rent. Even in case they could afford a flat they wouldn't have the time to go back and forth after a 12 - 14h workday.