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Won't anybody 'attacking' the NSA will be labelled a terrorist, and anybody signing a petition simply add their own name to the list? If any kind of action lik

by err4nt 13y ago

Won't anybody 'attacking' the NSA will be labelled a terrorist, and anybody signing a petition simply add their own name to the list? If any kind of action like this is taken against the NSA on US soil, I'm sure it will result in increased legal protective measures for the NSA to help safeguard from this new 'terrorist threat', which will only make people want to disrupt them more. Basically what I fear is a home-grown 'terrorist' movement that the NSA will use to justify its recent behaviour. This works so well in their favour (long-term) that I can't even rule out the possibility of the whole thing being a false flag actually endorsed by the NSA. This can't end well…

rubbingalcohol 13y ago
So, you're saying that organized political action to affect democratic change in America could be considered a "terrorist" threat? The fact that you're even worried about this shows how far our country has slid in terms of liberty and democracy. We are now on the cusp of being a police state, but I really hope people won't let that dissuade them from exercising their civic duty to engage the democratic process.
- louthy 13y ago
  This!
- pbhjpbhj 13y ago
  >organized political action // The action is a physical with-holding of resources in order to prevent an arm of government from operating. That doesn't sound like "political" action. Warranted or not that description vastly underplays the gravity of the proposed action IMO.
  - Crito 13y ago
    You may redefine "political action" such that this sort of action does not qualify, but there is no way you can call it terrorism without resorting to absolutely ludicrous redefinitions.
  - nl 13y ago
    Of course it is political action! It happens all the time, for private developments (eg casinos) as well as government developments (eg, local governments enacting laws to make putting sewage treatment plants or nuclear waste treatment plants in their areas) It is effective because it adds friction. Things seldom change from one action, but lots of things add up.
  - DennisP 13y ago
    Withholding resources by entirely legal, political means?
zmanian 13y ago
I think you are entirely correct. We've taken some measures to protect signatories. The site works really well with TOR/No Script. You can also conceal your name from being listed on the site.

by err4nt 13y ago

rubbingalcohol 13y ago

So, you're saying that organized political action to affect democratic change in America could be considered a "terrorist" threat? The fact that you're even worried about this shows how far our country has slid in terms of liberty and democracy. We are now on the cusp of being a police state, but I really hope people won't let that dissuade them from exercising their civic duty to engage the democratic process.

louthy 13y ago
This!
pbhjpbhj 13y ago
>organized political action // The action is a physical with-holding of resources in order to prevent an arm of government from operating. That doesn't sound like "political" action. Warranted or not that description vastly underplays the gravity of the proposed action IMO.
- Crito 13y ago
  You may redefine "political action" such that this sort of action does not qualify, but there is no way you can call it terrorism without resorting to absolutely ludicrous redefinitions.
- nl 13y ago
  Of course it is political action! It happens all the time, for private developments (eg casinos) as well as government developments (eg, local governments enacting laws to make putting sewage treatment plants or nuclear waste treatment plants in their areas) It is effective because it adds friction. Things seldom change from one action, but lots of things add up.
- DennisP 13y ago
  Withholding resources by entirely legal, political means?

zmanian 13y ago

I think you are entirely correct. We've taken some measures to protect signatories. The site works really well with TOR/No Script. You can also conceal your name from being listed on the site.