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"should not of been suggested" twitch

vacri 13y ago
The main article had: I was connected with a sales rep. His manor was very professional, and I could tell he was smart. I was hoping for a successful resolution to the story at that point, given he was apparently meeting the sales guy at his palatial home.
yuvadam 13y ago
"Scott".
- ulfw 13y ago
  Exactly!
- cschmidt 13y ago
  "Scott" Venkatasubramanian
  - w1ntermute 13y ago
    I actually see native speakers make the "should of" mistake far more often than I see non-native speakers make it, probably because it's a mistake based on pronunciation. Native speakers often incorrectly spell based on pronunciation, while non-native speakers often incorrectly pronounce based on spelling. In fact, the (presumably native-speaking) author of the linked blog post makes such a mistake - he uses the word "manor" where he should have used "manner." Frequent signs of non-native English are improper verb conjugation and article placement, rather than something like "should of."
    - StavrosK 13y ago
      100% correct. Also, non-native speakers tend to make grammar errors, use idioms wrongly, etc. They (we) don't tend to mistake "to/too", "there/their/they're" and "your/you're", because second languages are usually acquired through the written word.
      - vidarh 13y ago
        Well, I do sometimes make the mistakes you give as examples, but only as I get very tired, when I curiously start to mix up all kinds of homophones and near-homophones with no apparent connection (particularly curious to me since, as you suggested, I picked up English primarily through writing; it's not like I have a habit of sounding out words. It took many years from I started reading and writing English until I ever used it in a spoken conversation) For the same reason I can't ever see me using "should of" - it sounds too wrong. It is rarer for me to make the mistakes you list than mixing up completely unrelated homophones, though, as they're definitively ones I'm extra aware of.
    - vidarh 13y ago
      In parts of England "should of" is in common use amongst younger speakers to the extent that "should of" to me is associated with South or East London more than non-native speakers (though it's in use many other places in England too). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect_levelling_in_Britain#Examples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect_levelling_in_Britain#Ex... My four year old might occasionally use it because his friends does, and he knows it drives his mother absolutely crazy when she notices he uses South London dialect features.
    - daledavies 13y ago
      I always thought the use of "should of" is because people like to shorten "should have" to "should've", especially in conversation. This seems to have lead to people mistakenly thinking "should've" when spoken is actually "should of". Not sure how people can read "should of" and not think it makes no sense though. * my grammar is most likely not great either, so I can't really criticise to be honest!
  - greenyoda 13y ago
    The name at the top of his comment was actually "Scott Valentine".
  - swatkat 13y ago
    "Scott" Venkatasubramanian would've actually written "should have" instead of "should of".
  - j45 13y ago
    This veiled attack on someone because of what their name may imply makes my stomach turn. I've sometimes wondered whether those who are most passionate about bashing other languages and frameworks, are in fact, just using transferring the behaviour from more direct bias towards a group or person.
    - cschmidt 13y ago
      I hesitated in making a joke on HN, since that never works well here. I was actually making fun of the practice of having Indian call center employees go by ridiculous American sounding names that couldn't possibly be theirs. I always have to chuckle when you get someone on the line, and they say "my name is 'Scott'", and you have to think, "No, its not." I thought that was what the parent meant by "Scott". As in, that's not his real name. It was not an attack on anyone other than the people that run these call centers. Most of the comments thought I was picking on grammar or something, which wouldn't have been very funny. Sorry for any misunderstanding or offense caused.
      - j45 13y ago
        I love jokes. My sense of humor is such, that it doesn't have to take shots at people for things they can do nothing about: the colour of their skin, their looks, their height, the name they're given, how they didn't choose the families they were born into. Still, let's chill out. And process the half hearted apology of "sorry if anyone was offended, but not sorry I said it because I don't see the big deal". I wasn't really that upset by you putting a reasonably accurate looking and long south indian name.. It did made me wonder if doing so was really that evolved from making up a willfully ignorant African or Asian inspired name 30-60 years ago. That, in turn, made me wonder if we're really progressing, and what made me write. What's a joke to me, is how little empathy there is when someone is told to change their name to make it more acceptable and easier to pronounce because they're not worth knowing. Maybe it'll start getting better when narrow minded thinking stops telling the world to be more open minded to tolerate their continued close-mindedness.
hrrsn 13y ago
> "downloading the software from the Adobe’s server" twitches again
grimtrigger 13y ago
I think a lot of time is wasted on perfecting spelling/grammar because of comments like the one above. Are you having difficulty understanding Scott's message or intent?
- justin66 13y ago
  > Are you having difficulty understanding Scott's message or intent? I assume Scott's either dumb or careless. If public communication isn't your thing, how hard is it to find someone to proofread your message when you're working at a corporation? In either case he's not the person Adobe should have handling a PR situation. > I think a lot of time is wasted on perfecting spelling/grammar because of comments like the one above. I'm very sympathetic to an engineer or scientist having issues like this, perhaps working in fields where people from all over the world will be working together. On the other hand, if you're working in customer care, written and verbal communication is your thing. If you're not good at it, that reflects on you and your company and the seriousness with which they take the customer care function. Poor communication started the problems here with this customer so it is an especially touchy subject for Adobe. Hence the way people are reacting. edit: wow, mhurron, why not interact with what people have actually written in its full and intended context instead of assuming the worst about people and knocking over a strawman?
  - mhurron 13y ago
    > I assume Scott's either dumb or careless. Because everyone's first and best language is English. I guess someone needs to welcome the US as a member of the rest of the world. > Hence the way people are reacting. No, people are going grammar nazi on the message because it makes them feel more important. It's the same reason you're nitpicking here.
- sosborn 13y ago
  >I think a lot of time is wasted on perfecting spelling/grammar Are you sure about that? Scour any comments section for 10 minutes and it should be clear that not enough time is being used to perfect spelling/grammar. >Are you having difficulty understanding Scott's message or intent? No, but that doesn't mean we should settle for the lowest common denominator.
mikevm 13y ago
"Downloading pirated content can contain viruses and cause security issues." twitch attack
frogpelt 13y ago
Did you twitch when you read OP's article? "Image in your bank treated you this way..."

vacri 13y ago

The main article had: I was connected with a sales rep. His manor was very professional, and I could tell he was smart. I was hoping for a successful resolution to the story at that point, given he was apparently meeting the sales guy at his palatial home.

yuvadam 13y ago

"Scott".

ulfw 13y ago
Exactly!
cschmidt 13y ago
"Scott" Venkatasubramanian
- w1ntermute 13y ago
  I actually see native speakers make the "should of" mistake far more often than I see non-native speakers make it, probably because it's a mistake based on pronunciation. Native speakers often incorrectly spell based on pronunciation, while non-native speakers often incorrectly pronounce based on spelling. In fact, the (presumably native-speaking) author of the linked blog post makes such a mistake - he uses the word "manor" where he should have used "manner." Frequent signs of non-native English are improper verb conjugation and article placement, rather than something like "should of."
  - StavrosK 13y ago
    100% correct. Also, non-native speakers tend to make grammar errors, use idioms wrongly, etc. They (we) don't tend to mistake "to/too", "there/their/they're" and "your/you're", because second languages are usually acquired through the written word.
    - vidarh 13y ago
      Well, I do sometimes make the mistakes you give as examples, but only as I get very tired, when I curiously start to mix up all kinds of homophones and near-homophones with no apparent connection (particularly curious to me since, as you suggested, I picked up English primarily through writing; it's not like I have a habit of sounding out words. It took many years from I started reading and writing English until I ever used it in a spoken conversation) For the same reason I can't ever see me using "should of" - it sounds too wrong. It is rarer for me to make the mistakes you list than mixing up completely unrelated homophones, though, as they're definitively ones I'm extra aware of.
  - vidarh 13y ago
    In parts of England "should of" is in common use amongst younger speakers to the extent that "should of" to me is associated with South or East London more than non-native speakers (though it's in use many other places in England too). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect_levelling_in_Britain#Examples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect_levelling_in_Britain#Ex... My four year old might occasionally use it because his friends does, and he knows it drives his mother absolutely crazy when she notices he uses South London dialect features.
  - daledavies 13y ago
    I always thought the use of "should of" is because people like to shorten "should have" to "should've", especially in conversation. This seems to have lead to people mistakenly thinking "should've" when spoken is actually "should of". Not sure how people can read "should of" and not think it makes no sense though. * my grammar is most likely not great either, so I can't really criticise to be honest!
- greenyoda 13y ago
  The name at the top of his comment was actually "Scott Valentine".
- swatkat 13y ago
  "Scott" Venkatasubramanian would've actually written "should have" instead of "should of".
- j45 13y ago
  This veiled attack on someone because of what their name may imply makes my stomach turn. I've sometimes wondered whether those who are most passionate about bashing other languages and frameworks, are in fact, just using transferring the behaviour from more direct bias towards a group or person.
  - cschmidt 13y ago
    I hesitated in making a joke on HN, since that never works well here. I was actually making fun of the practice of having Indian call center employees go by ridiculous American sounding names that couldn't possibly be theirs. I always have to chuckle when you get someone on the line, and they say "my name is 'Scott'", and you have to think, "No, its not." I thought that was what the parent meant by "Scott". As in, that's not his real name. It was not an attack on anyone other than the people that run these call centers. Most of the comments thought I was picking on grammar or something, which wouldn't have been very funny. Sorry for any misunderstanding or offense caused.
    - j45 13y ago
      I love jokes. My sense of humor is such, that it doesn't have to take shots at people for things they can do nothing about: the colour of their skin, their looks, their height, the name they're given, how they didn't choose the families they were born into. Still, let's chill out. And process the half hearted apology of "sorry if anyone was offended, but not sorry I said it because I don't see the big deal". I wasn't really that upset by you putting a reasonably accurate looking and long south indian name.. It did made me wonder if doing so was really that evolved from making up a willfully ignorant African or Asian inspired name 30-60 years ago. That, in turn, made me wonder if we're really progressing, and what made me write. What's a joke to me, is how little empathy there is when someone is told to change their name to make it more acceptable and easier to pronounce because they're not worth knowing. Maybe it'll start getting better when narrow minded thinking stops telling the world to be more open minded to tolerate their continued close-mindedness.

hrrsn 13y ago

> "downloading the software from the Adobe’s server" twitches again

grimtrigger 13y ago

I think a lot of time is wasted on perfecting spelling/grammar because of comments like the one above. Are you having difficulty understanding Scott's message or intent?

justin66 13y ago
> Are you having difficulty understanding Scott's message or intent? I assume Scott's either dumb or careless. If public communication isn't your thing, how hard is it to find someone to proofread your message when you're working at a corporation? In either case he's not the person Adobe should have handling a PR situation. > I think a lot of time is wasted on perfecting spelling/grammar because of comments like the one above. I'm very sympathetic to an engineer or scientist having issues like this, perhaps working in fields where people from all over the world will be working together. On the other hand, if you're working in customer care, written and verbal communication is your thing. If you're not good at it, that reflects on you and your company and the seriousness with which they take the customer care function. Poor communication started the problems here with this customer so it is an especially touchy subject for Adobe. Hence the way people are reacting. edit: wow, mhurron, why not interact with what people have actually written in its full and intended context instead of assuming the worst about people and knocking over a strawman?
- mhurron 13y ago
  > I assume Scott's either dumb or careless. Because everyone's first and best language is English. I guess someone needs to welcome the US as a member of the rest of the world. > Hence the way people are reacting. No, people are going grammar nazi on the message because it makes them feel more important. It's the same reason you're nitpicking here.
sosborn 13y ago
>I think a lot of time is wasted on perfecting spelling/grammar Are you sure about that? Scour any comments section for 10 minutes and it should be clear that not enough time is being used to perfect spelling/grammar. >Are you having difficulty understanding Scott's message or intent? No, but that doesn't mean we should settle for the lowest common denominator.

mikevm 13y ago

"Downloading pirated content can contain viruses and cause security issues." twitch attack

frogpelt 13y ago

Did you twitch when you read OP's article? "Image in your bank treated you this way..."