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I wonder if somebody actually read EU treaty (reason for all this protests). Signing it would pretty much kill industry and criple agriculture at Ukraine.

by altero 13y ago

bluekeybox 13y ago
None of the people protesting have any illusion as to how long it would take to join EU or that it would be painless. Moreover, joining (or not joining the EU) is not even the main point of the protests. The point of the protests is preventing a Russian-controlled mafia government from taking over the country's future.
prostoalex 13y ago
Can you point to specific paragraphs that would do such things?
- altero 13y ago
  For start Ukraine treaty does not handle subsidies. So France and other countries would be able to 'dump' their subsidized agricaltural product on Ukranien market. Ukraine farmers do not get subsidy, they have higher prices and would eventually bankrupt. Industry is concetrated on east and exports/imports mainly to Russia. EU would make it very hard to trade with Russia. Factories could not sell product and could not import materials. Joining EU is long process which takes years of negotiation. Poland is good example. But just signing whatever EU throws your direction is very bad deal.
  - prostoalex 13y ago
    > For start Ukraine treaty does not handle subsidies. Article 32.1 states: "Upon entry into force of this Agreement, no Party shall maintain, introduce or reintroduce export subsidies or other measures with equivalent effect on agricultural goods destined for the territory of the other Party." And then it relegates the finer details to WTO treaties, which Ukraine already signed. > EU would make it very hard to trade with Russia. Which part of the agreement would make it difficult?
    - altero 13y ago
      So EU is abolishing agricultural subsidies? EU would set import tax on stuff imported from Russia.
  - jotm 13y ago
    | For start Ukraine treaty does not handle subsidies. So France and other countries would be able to 'dump' their subsidized agricaltural product on Ukranien market. Ukraine farmers do not get subsidy, they have higher prices and would eventually bankrupt. That's great news! It means cheaper products and new entrepreneurs (with better ideas and better funding) taking control of the horribly outdated agriculture industry.
gritzko 13y ago
So you read it? How will it affect Ukrainian steel exports, on your opinion?
marcosdumay 13y ago
Oh, great. Those treaties that "kill" industry and agriculture are normaly the best things that can happen for the economy of a country. Just beware the ones that "protect" them. For all groups on the net, this one should understand quite well the meaning of "creative destruction", and "stale business".

I wonder if somebody actually read EU treaty (reason for all this protests). Signing it would pretty much kill industry and criple agriculture at Ukraine.

by altero 13y ago

I wonder if somebody actually read EU treaty (reason for all this protests). Signing it would pretty much kill industry and criple agriculture at Ukraine.

bluekeybox 13y ago

None of the people protesting have any illusion as to how long it would take to join EU or that it would be painless. Moreover, joining (or not joining the EU) is not even the main point of the protests. The point of the protests is preventing a Russian-controlled mafia government from taking over the country's future.

prostoalex 13y ago

Can you point to specific paragraphs that would do such things?

altero 13y ago
For start Ukraine treaty does not handle subsidies. So France and other countries would be able to 'dump' their subsidized agricaltural product on Ukranien market. Ukraine farmers do not get subsidy, they have higher prices and would eventually bankrupt. Industry is concetrated on east and exports/imports mainly to Russia. EU would make it very hard to trade with Russia. Factories could not sell product and could not import materials. Joining EU is long process which takes years of negotiation. Poland is good example. But just signing whatever EU throws your direction is very bad deal.
- prostoalex 13y ago
  > For start Ukraine treaty does not handle subsidies. Article 32.1 states: "Upon entry into force of this Agreement, no Party shall maintain, introduce or reintroduce export subsidies or other measures with equivalent effect on agricultural goods destined for the territory of the other Party." And then it relegates the finer details to WTO treaties, which Ukraine already signed. > EU would make it very hard to trade with Russia. Which part of the agreement would make it difficult?
  - altero 13y ago
    So EU is abolishing agricultural subsidies? EU would set import tax on stuff imported from Russia.
- jotm 13y ago
  | For start Ukraine treaty does not handle subsidies. So France and other countries would be able to 'dump' their subsidized agricaltural product on Ukranien market. Ukraine farmers do not get subsidy, they have higher prices and would eventually bankrupt. That's great news! It means cheaper products and new entrepreneurs (with better ideas and better funding) taking control of the horribly outdated agriculture industry.

gritzko 13y ago

So you read it? How will it affect Ukrainian steel exports, on your opinion?

marcosdumay 13y ago

Oh, great. Those treaties that "kill" industry and agriculture are normaly the best things that can happen for the economy of a country. Just beware the ones that "protect" them. For all groups on the net, this one should understand quite well the meaning of "creative destruction", and "stale business".