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Confession From a Go Programmer

42 points by bsg75 13y ago

eterm 13y ago
This page was readable until my browser finished downloading the web font, at which point it became impossible to read.
- bsg75 13y ago
  I use the Evernote Clearly extension in Chrome for this sort of "design". There may be better options.
  - kibwen 13y ago
    I'll second this, though I use the Firefox version: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/clearly/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/clearly/ Indispensable for coercing over-exuberant webpages into readability.
- evmar 13y ago
  (I feel bad always spamming my Chrome extension, but it's made my life so much better I feel compelled to share) This Chrome extension adds a right-click menu item "make readable" that fixes the font on pages like this. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/text-fix/ofafkoecdjghmmjibcbelabbllfoeidb https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/text-fix/ofafkoecd...
- Pxtl 13y ago
  On the plus side, its static nature meant that for me the page is fully readable while it is crushed under the weight of Hacker News' hug-of-death. It took over a minute to load that PNG on the side, and I think it will be trying to send me that font for quite some time. I forgot how snappy the internet is when you keep it simple.
- deleted 13y ago
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yapcguy 13y ago
> every object is a member of the empty interface There are no objects in Go, given that Go is not an object-oriented language... oops! (pun intended)
- deleted 13y ago
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- mseepgood 13y ago
  What requirements does an object have to fulfill in your opinion?
- flazzarino 13y ago
  The word "object" predates OOP. I think the original meaning roughly equates to what we call a value today. In OOP languages the objects contain the subroutines (methods) hence orienting the programming towards the objects. Do the more pedantically inclined have a better definition?
NDizzle 13y ago
If you're having trouble viewing any content on the page, click the stop button in your browser. Ironic domain name.
lettergram 13y ago
I've written a basic web server which simply pulls up CSS/HTML and manages a mongoDB about 16Gb as well as another for users. I found that overall Go is extremely manageable and the whole server and db management requires less than 500 lines of easy to read code with comments. I agree with the author for the most part, however I would like to say that I do not like the error handling.. Not really a big deal, the rest of the language makes up for it, just thought I would share my opinion.
eknkc 13y ago
Currently working with Node.JS and we want to introdcure Go in some new modules. Have 3 major concerns; - Lack of Generics. I know this has been beaten to death but after using a dynamic typed language all this time, it is even more painful. - Weird dependency management. No way to lock dependency versions, even if I fork something and depend on it, nested dependencies can fuck up at some point. We need something like NPM to manage our dependencies in a sane way. Importing from live git paths seems like the worst possible solution to this. And there seems to be no widely accepted 3rd party package manager. - Google... At some point, I'd expect the compiler to require a Google+ account to enable optimizations. /s
- burntsushi 13y ago
  > Importing from live git paths seems like the worst possible solution to this. Then don't do it. Check your dependencies into your repositories and update import paths.
  - hdevalence 13y ago
    What happens when the dependencies have bugfixes or security flaws? Why is it better to spread the responsibility for updates over all Go authors instead of to the authors of the libraries in question?
    - nknighthb 13y ago
      You make an explicit, knowledgable decision to update the dependency, like you should be doing with all software in a production environment.
      - frowaway001 13y ago
        Why is this supposed to involve tons of stupid stuff instead of adjusting a version number accordingly?
    - mseepgood 13y ago
      > What happens when the dependencies have bugfixes or security flaws? Copy the new version into the repository, run the import rewriting script and check it in. > Why is it better to spread the responsibility for updates over all Go authors instead of to the authors of the libraries in question? Because you want to have full control over your dependencies. What if the author introduces a breaking change or removes the repository from the internet? Do you want to risk your business by being at the mercy of someone else's repository?
sdegutis 13y ago
tl;dr: A quick recap of Go's basic features, also the author likes them.
dkuntz2 13y ago
I had to change the font because the file wasn’t loading... I'm not sure if there were any confessions. It was basically a "hey, you should try out Go. Maybe. If you want. I like it…" kind of post.
lnanek2 13y ago
Site down. Hope he wasn't confessing he wrote his server with Go, because his server sure can't handle load...
- scriptproof 13y ago
  Do not work for me too. Amazing the site name is "not broken".
- dkuntz2 13y ago
  No, he was "confessing" that he liked Go and thinks it's pretty nifty. Not much of a confession...
banachtarski 13y ago
This isn't loading at all for me for some reason. I get 13 bytes and it hangs. edit: I found the fulltext archived elsewhere on fullhn. This honestly just a listing of Go features and there's no "confession" to speak of anywhere. It seems like the OP would like Erlang.
yawz 13y ago
Hmmm... I was expecting a more controversial article. Basically the author likes Go and gives a brief list of features. (Not that it isn't a good article but for some reason the title set my expectations at the wrong level).
vfclists 13y ago
notbroken.org website is broken
kendalk 13y ago
I have been reading good things about Chicken Scheme, which compiles to C. I am debating between Go and Chicken for a SaaS startup. Go seems to be the future favorite language for server development, but I read pg's essay "Beating the Averages" and am attracted to Lisp. (And I love Emacs!) Does anyone with experience in these languages have any thoughts?
tethis 13y ago
This isn't really a "confession"... just someone gushing over a programming language in a terrible looking font.

42 points by bsg75 13y ago

eterm 13y ago

This page was readable until my browser finished downloading the web font, at which point it became impossible to read.

bsg75 13y ago
I use the Evernote Clearly extension in Chrome for this sort of "design". There may be better options.
- kibwen 13y ago
  I'll second this, though I use the Firefox version: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/clearly/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/clearly/ Indispensable for coercing over-exuberant webpages into readability.
evmar 13y ago
(I feel bad always spamming my Chrome extension, but it's made my life so much better I feel compelled to share) This Chrome extension adds a right-click menu item "make readable" that fixes the font on pages like this. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/text-fix/ofafkoecdjghmmjibcbelabbllfoeidb https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/text-fix/ofafkoecd...
Pxtl 13y ago
On the plus side, its static nature meant that for me the page is fully readable while it is crushed under the weight of Hacker News' hug-of-death. It took over a minute to load that PNG on the side, and I think it will be trying to send me that font for quite some time. I forgot how snappy the internet is when you keep it simple.
deleted 13y ago
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yapcguy 13y ago

> every object is a member of the empty interface There are no objects in Go, given that Go is not an object-oriented language... oops! (pun intended)

deleted 13y ago
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mseepgood 13y ago
What requirements does an object have to fulfill in your opinion?
flazzarino 13y ago
The word "object" predates OOP. I think the original meaning roughly equates to what we call a value today. In OOP languages the objects contain the subroutines (methods) hence orienting the programming towards the objects. Do the more pedantically inclined have a better definition?

NDizzle 13y ago

If you're having trouble viewing any content on the page, click the stop button in your browser. Ironic domain name.

lettergram 13y ago

I've written a basic web server which simply pulls up CSS/HTML and manages a mongoDB about 16Gb as well as another for users. I found that overall Go is extremely manageable and the whole server and db management requires less than 500 lines of easy to read code with comments. I agree with the author for the most part, however I would like to say that I do not like the error handling.. Not really a big deal, the rest of the language makes up for it, just thought I would share my opinion.

eknkc 13y ago

Currently working with Node.JS and we want to introdcure Go in some new modules. Have 3 major concerns; - Lack of Generics. I know this has been beaten to death but after using a dynamic typed language all this time, it is even more painful. - Weird dependency management. No way to lock dependency versions, even if I fork something and depend on it, nested dependencies can fuck up at some point. We need something like NPM to manage our dependencies in a sane way. Importing from live git paths seems like the worst possible solution to this. And there seems to be no widely accepted 3rd party package manager. - Google... At some point, I'd expect the compiler to require a Google+ account to enable optimizations. /s

burntsushi 13y ago
> Importing from live git paths seems like the worst possible solution to this. Then don't do it. Check your dependencies into your repositories and update import paths.
- hdevalence 13y ago
  What happens when the dependencies have bugfixes or security flaws? Why is it better to spread the responsibility for updates over all Go authors instead of to the authors of the libraries in question?
  - nknighthb 13y ago
    You make an explicit, knowledgable decision to update the dependency, like you should be doing with all software in a production environment.
    - frowaway001 13y ago
      Why is this supposed to involve tons of stupid stuff instead of adjusting a version number accordingly?
  - mseepgood 13y ago
    > What happens when the dependencies have bugfixes or security flaws? Copy the new version into the repository, run the import rewriting script and check it in. > Why is it better to spread the responsibility for updates over all Go authors instead of to the authors of the libraries in question? Because you want to have full control over your dependencies. What if the author introduces a breaking change or removes the repository from the internet? Do you want to risk your business by being at the mercy of someone else's repository?

sdegutis 13y ago

tl;dr: A quick recap of Go's basic features, also the author likes them.

dkuntz2 13y ago

I had to change the font because the file wasn’t loading... I'm not sure if there were any confessions. It was basically a "hey, you should try out Go. Maybe. If you want. I like it…" kind of post.

lnanek2 13y ago

Site down. Hope he wasn't confessing he wrote his server with Go, because his server sure can't handle load...

scriptproof 13y ago
Do not work for me too. Amazing the site name is "not broken".
dkuntz2 13y ago
No, he was "confessing" that he liked Go and thinks it's pretty nifty. Not much of a confession...

banachtarski 13y ago

This isn't loading at all for me for some reason. I get 13 bytes and it hangs. edit: I found the fulltext archived elsewhere on fullhn. This honestly just a listing of Go features and there's no "confession" to speak of anywhere. It seems like the OP would like Erlang.

yawz 13y ago

Hmmm... I was expecting a more controversial article. Basically the author likes Go and gives a brief list of features. (Not that it isn't a good article but for some reason the title set my expectations at the wrong level).

vfclists 13y ago

notbroken.org website is broken

kendalk 13y ago

I have been reading good things about Chicken Scheme, which compiles to C. I am debating between Go and Chicken for a SaaS startup. Go seems to be the future favorite language for server development, but I read pg's essay "Beating the Averages" and am attracted to Lisp. (And I love Emacs!) Does anyone with experience in these languages have any thoughts?

tethis 13y ago

This isn't really a "confession"... just someone gushing over a programming language in a terrible looking font.