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How much of a breach is it when a hacker 'steals' his own code?

8 points by AndrewWarner 17y ago

run4yourlives 17y ago
It's not necessarily your code just because you wrote it.
- jerf 17y ago
  Do you think somebody claimed that, or is that just a sort of stream-of-consciousness comment?
  - run4yourlives 17y ago
    The article insinuates it pretty clearly, so yes, somebody claimed it.
- sophacles 17y ago
  True. However I do not have copies of code I wrote in the past, but I can probably bang out all the interesting parts in a matter of a few days, from memory. It's not that I am that super of a coder or anything, it's that the interesting parts took a lot of thinking, therefore remembering. I think that's why it was 'steal' instead of steal.
  - run4yourlives 17y ago
    Except that as a coder, and given current laws, if you come close enough to reproducing a trade secret or other copyrighted work, you technically are stealing it.
    - sophacles 17y ago
      Right. I think the point is that someone wants me to work for them based on what I did for a competitor. This whole code stealing thing is silly when its really my ability to help them steal the ideas that matters. They already have the knowledge by getting me, code is pretty irrelevant. Of course the technical stealing is easier to prove with the code...
yangyang 17y ago
Why do Goldman's profits have to be mentioned in so many articles about this "code theft"? Does the fact they've just made lots of money, regardless of what actually happened regarding this programmer, change the meaning of right and wrong?
- joezydeco 17y ago
  If the code is part of the reason for Goldman's huge profits, then let's hear about it. There are a few sites accusing GS of packet-sniffing the NYSE electronic exchange and slipping in their trades microseconds before the real trades take place. Those are rumors. One known fact is that Goldman was pulling down USD $100,000,000 per DAY in profits from their automated trading systems. That's a hundred million dollars. A day.
  - yangyang 17y ago
    > One known fact is that Goldman was pulling down USD $100,000,000 per DAY in profits from their automated trading systems. That's a hundred million dollars. A day. I don't think that is a "known fact" at all. All I've found is "more than $100 million in trading revenue on a record 34 separate days during the first three months of 2009" (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/goldman-sachss-100-million-trading-days-hit-record-in-quarter/357270/ http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/goldman-sachss-1...). That's firmwide revenue, from all their trading activities, not just automated trading. And it's not "every day".
    - joezydeco 17y ago
      Okay, I'll concede that. What I won't ever believe is that Goldman made 100 million dollars in profit trading securities and commodities only for customers in this current economic climate.
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8 points by AndrewWarner 17y ago

run4yourlives 17y ago

It's not necessarily your code just because you wrote it.

jerf 17y ago
Do you think somebody claimed that, or is that just a sort of stream-of-consciousness comment?
- run4yourlives 17y ago
  The article insinuates it pretty clearly, so yes, somebody claimed it.
sophacles 17y ago
True. However I do not have copies of code I wrote in the past, but I can probably bang out all the interesting parts in a matter of a few days, from memory. It's not that I am that super of a coder or anything, it's that the interesting parts took a lot of thinking, therefore remembering. I think that's why it was 'steal' instead of steal.
- run4yourlives 17y ago
  Except that as a coder, and given current laws, if you come close enough to reproducing a trade secret or other copyrighted work, you technically are stealing it.
  - sophacles 17y ago
    Right. I think the point is that someone wants me to work for them based on what I did for a competitor. This whole code stealing thing is silly when its really my ability to help them steal the ideas that matters. They already have the knowledge by getting me, code is pretty irrelevant. Of course the technical stealing is easier to prove with the code...

yangyang 17y ago

Why do Goldman's profits have to be mentioned in so many articles about this "code theft"? Does the fact they've just made lots of money, regardless of what actually happened regarding this programmer, change the meaning of right and wrong?

joezydeco 17y ago
If the code is part of the reason for Goldman's huge profits, then let's hear about it. There are a few sites accusing GS of packet-sniffing the NYSE electronic exchange and slipping in their trades microseconds before the real trades take place. Those are rumors. One known fact is that Goldman was pulling down USD $100,000,000 per DAY in profits from their automated trading systems. That's a hundred million dollars. A day.
- yangyang 17y ago
  > One known fact is that Goldman was pulling down USD $100,000,000 per DAY in profits from their automated trading systems. That's a hundred million dollars. A day. I don't think that is a "known fact" at all. All I've found is "more than $100 million in trading revenue on a record 34 separate days during the first three months of 2009" (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/goldman-sachss-100-million-trading-days-hit-record-in-quarter/357270/ http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/goldman-sachss-1...). That's firmwide revenue, from all their trading activities, not just automated trading. And it's not "every day".
  - joezydeco 17y ago
    Okay, I'll concede that. What I won't ever believe is that Goldman made 100 million dollars in profit trading securities and commodities only for customers in this current economic climate.

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