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Romanian saves OpenBSD?
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- adamnemecek 13y agoBillionaire?
- NDizzle 13y ago$20killionaire didn't have the same ring to it.
- gojomo 13y agoHmm, the atomic integral unit of Bitcoin is actually the 'satoshi', and there are 100,000,000 satoshi in "1" notational-bitcoin. So anyone with 10 BTC or more is a "bitcoin billionaire [in satoshis]". That must be it.
- pankkake 13y agoIn the sense that he has more than one billion USD in bitcoins. (No one can own a billion bitcoins.)
- josephagoss 13y agoNo way he has 1,000,000 BTC. Perhaps 200,000. At the moment Satoshi is still the only Bitcoin Billionaire with several people waiting on btc = $2,500 until they join the billionaire club. I'm guessing you're the Pankkake from Bitcointalk?
- hueving 13y agoHow would you know that? Someone could easily spread the coins across many addresses.
- josephagoss 13y agoA lot of people on the Bitcointalk forums have made educated guesses, the fact is he still works on his business and charges for subscription to his blog, I doubt he has amassed the largest stash of Bitcoins in the world.
- pankkake 13y ago"the fact is he still works on his business" a lot of billionnaires still work on their businesses, if not most. This hasn't been the norm of Bitcoin - most people getting rich just went away with the coins, which is pretty bad. His estimation accounts for the assets he owns, same method as for the fiat billionnaires. For the other question, there is only one pankkake.
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- calroc 13y agoIs it weird that OpenBSD struggles to keep the juice on in the post-Snowden era?
- dmix 13y agoLinux and OSS is still exceptionally popular and well funded. FreeBSD might be a temporary exception. Their funding issues are certainly giving them lots of free press though.
- adamnemecek 13y ago* OpenBSD.
- maaku 13y agoYou're missing the point. OpenBSD is the oldest, most popular distribution with a fanatical devotion to clamped down, secure-by-default software. You'd think that people would be more understanding of the need for this now.
- dobbsbob 13y agoEspecially with juniperOS/freeBSD routers getting wholesale owned and the ntp DOS attack. OpenBSD devs looked at the shit sandwich that is ntp.org code and rewrote it expecting future problems and they were right.
- _ak 13y agoWell, who would really want to fund their compile farm of obscure vintage hardware if all they're really interested in is OpenSSH? Even if OpenBSD went bust, somebody would pick up OpenSSH eventually, without all the Vaxen and SGI machines and what not.
- jrockway 13y agoIndeed. I run OpenBSD on an i386 router, and I honestly don't care about supporting the other platforms. If they want me to donate a Soekris device and pay for the power, I will. At my residential utility rate, one of those things uses $8 in electricity a year. Hell, the twice-yearly OpenBSD releases cost me $100, so I almost think I've done my part.
- vincie 13y agoHaven't used OBSD in years, but I do use OpenSSH all the time. There are lots of stuff lurking in my OS of choice, NetBSD, that came from OBSD. So I would like to thank Mircea Popescu for his generosity. I can only muster $A50 I'm afraid. Edit: suckful spelling Just went to try to donate. Can't seem to do it at the donation page. Can't seem to enter my Australian address in any of the US and Canada links. I am certain my CC issuer will decline it. What gives?
- yan 13y agoNitpick, OpenBSD came out of Theo's disagreements with the NetBSD team, not the other way around.
- vincie 13y agoNothing to do with that. There are currently lots of drivers and OpenSSH of course, in NetBSD that came from OBSD.
- protomyth 13y agoStuff came back to NetBSD just as stuff continues to flow from it. The BSDs are a big circle of code.
- schwarze_pest 13y agolies... http://quigon.bsws.de/papers/2009/eurobsdcon-faster_packets/mgp00003.html http://quigon.bsws.de/papers/2009/eurobsdcon-faster_packets/...
- micahgoulart 13y agoAh, the irony of OpenBSD paying for its computers racking up a huge electricity bill using money made by computers racking up huge electricity bills.
- altano 13y agoThere's very little that isn't true of these days.
- canadev 13y agoWhat is the relationship between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD? And why would one choose one of those over Linux? Edit: Here's a link I just found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_sys... And one more: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/comparing-bsd-and-linux.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/compa...
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- erichurkman 13y agoFreeBSD 10, newly out, actually makes huge gains on OpenBSD's firewall, pf [1]. pf, by default, is not very thread-friendly, and uses a central mutex for packet processing. glebius has done some fantastic work that's unlikely to ever get ported back to OpenBSD's pf. Now that FreeBSD 10 looks like it supports EC2 out of the box, I'm eager to toy with it again. [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-pf/2012-June/006643.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-pf/2012-June/0066...
- AlexanderDhoore 13y agoSorry, accidentally removed my parent comment. "As far as I see it: FreeBSD is the big one. Could replace Linux in pretty much any server situation. ZFS is amazing. OpenBSD is a bit more bare bones, but because of security might make a good router or firewall. What I've read about NetBSD is mostly research stuff. NetBSD is like a playground for OS researchers. (They have Lua in the kernel for example.)"
- maaku 13y agoThree letters in their name.
- thaumaturgy 13y agoThe slightly over-simplified version goes like this: OpenBSD is for firewalls, specialized routers, traffic management, and other internet-facing security applications. FreeBSD is a reasonable general-purpose server BSD. It was among the first to have support for "really big" filesystems, but Linux has since caught up a bit. ZFS on FreeBSD is pretty rock-solid though. NetBSD is intended to run on everything. Even toasters (http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php). There's a lot of overlap, and advocates for each will probably point out other things their OSes are good at. In general, Linux has won the race towards user-friendliness. The recent systemd thing has caused (or will cause) the BSDs to fall even farther behind, because it is fundamentally incompatible with BSD (see point 15 on http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html), and more upstream software will begin to develop dependencies on systemd. And, in general, Linux enjoys a greater amount of developer participation, which makes it faster-moving. But, in general, the BSDs have produced more stable operating systems ideal for set-it-and-forget-it servers. I have to regularly work with Debian, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD systems (and irregularly work with just about everything else, even the occasional Solaris). OpenBSD and FreeBSD kick the crap out of Linux when it comes to managing network traffic. But, for my personal machine, it's gotta be Debian.
- brandonhsiao 13y agoHave to agree about IRC. If your product is something hackers--especially "hobbyist" hackers--use, IRC is still a great way to get feedback. Back when I ran robot game [1], IRC was basically the de facto way to request features and report bugs. [1] robotgame.org/robotgame.net
- corin_ 13y agoIRC is still great, however I disliked this line: > This episode just goes to show that IRC even in the 2010's continues to be one of the most expressive, influential, and effective communications mediums on the Internet. Because this story on its own really doesn't show that at all. "Group A needed money, told people about it, and a rich person gave them money" could just as well happen on HN, Twitter, etc.
- mappu 13y agoSource was slashdot: http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247 http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247 A few people asking about the 'billionaire' citation, he is the man behind http://mpex.co/ http://mpex.co/ , an options exchange (css, who needs it?) and he apparently has a net worth of over 700k BTC ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3449849#msg3449849 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3449849#ms... )
- thaumaturgy 13y agoHmm. This seems a bit premature. There's nothing yet on OpenBSD-Misc. And, even if this does go through -- not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but what OpenBSD was looking for was an ongoing, long-term commitment from someone, probably a business, to simply inherit the electric bill, and this would not be that. It's a little strange that a copy of some IRC logs are all that's needed now to make news.
- edwintorok 13y agoList of contributors seems to have been updated: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html
- notastartup 13y agois it possible for him to withdraw all that at the market rate? Even if he withdrew regularly, wouldn't that cause him to affect the value of the bitcoins? I wonder if there's enough liquidity.
- repsilat 13y agoNah, not really. "Real" worth would be thr integral of price from current holdings to zero, not the product of holdings and price. Unfortunately that would be impossible to model (depends on future information and on how he sold it), so we just go with the simple upper-bound we have.
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- Kuytu 13y agoDoes anyone have an idea how they are spending $20 000 on electricity?
- na85 13y agoIt's been covered before in the many HN threads on this issue. Search is your friend.
- Kuytu 13y agoSo, apparently they are testing on bunch of old and/or strange hardware https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7070713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7070713
- tobiasu 13y agoI've written some stuff about that in the other thread you got linked to, but I would like to add something: A single rack costs $1900/month in Calgary, and has insufficient power (15A) for dense packing. So a commercial rack already costs more than OpenBSD needs in electricity, but OpenBSD has about 3 racks worth of gear.
- asdasf 13y agoThey have these "computer" things that actually use electricity just to work. Worst of all, they produce heat, so then they have to use this "air conditioning" machine to make it cool again. Crazy stuff.
- Fuxy 13y agoI doubt he'd be willing to keep it up for more then a year but that still is a lot of help. Personally i think the way OpenBSD asked for help was kind of wrong. They just completely ignored the little each community member can pitch in and went for the big companies. That's how it seems at least from their announcement.
- mrich 13y agoThey want to find a longer-lasting arrangement with a company which would have two advantages: 1) Not necessary to beg the community each year, saves a lot of time for the real work on the project 2) The company could easily deduce the donation from their taxes, making this donation very cheap for them
- cbhl 13y agoFrankly, relying on each little community member results in the kinds of banners and full-page modals you see on the English-language Wikipedia every year. I'm not entirely convinced that's a better alternative.
- tommorris 13y agoYou press 'X' on Wikipedia fundraising banners and they go away for the duration of the fundraising period. Problem solved.
- clarry 13y agoI think it's nicer both for the project as well as the (user) community if they don't have to run a fundraiser every year, with the "we're going to shut down if we can't make this amount" threats. A corp could provide stable funding. However, if you read the thread, you'll know that they appreciate every little contribution from all individuals. Because when a corp hasn't stepped up, that's all they've got. Besides, this particular call for help was for funding electricity only. The project still has other expenses, mainly hackathons and some hardware I guess (which people donate every once in a while, thankfully). All individual users' contributions help the project run hackathons. And those who follow the commits & undeadly reports know just how important these hackathons are for the project.
- blahbl4hblahtoo 13y ago"the Microsofts, Apples, and Oracles of the world that happily vacuum up their code may not be the there in their time of need"... What about the Linux distro's that didn't lift a finger but continue to ship OpenSSH? Its that kind of attitude that make working with the OS community hard. Someone will bad mouth your involvement even when you are doing the right thing in other area's. Did anyone even approach those companies? How about Unbuntu or Redhat? Are they supposed to read people's fucking minds? I'm glad that OpenBSD got it's bills paid...but this guy's blog post might as well read..."Hey, some European guy paid OpenBSD's bills. Alright! Oh yeah, Fuck Microsoft (or Apple) because they didn't help." What the fuck? Just for the record...I gave. I wonder how much they raised besides the bitcoin rich guy's contribution.
- sentenza 13y agoYou should definitely differentiate between Linux distros and companies that make their money with a distro. Because unlike RedHat and Ubuntu, practically all the other Linux distros out there have little cash and little manpower to spare. The developers of those distros might contribute to keeping OpenSSH alive, should OpenBSD go under, but they are unlikely to tax their own, scarce resources to keep OpenBSD as such alive.
- blahbl4hblahtoo 13y agoYou are right. Thanks for the clarification.
- purple_horse 13y agoThank God, I was dreading having to consider moving my firewalls to Linux.
- dobbsbob 13y agoOpenBSD code winds up in everything including Android like dlmalloc and calloc, then there is openNTPD, OpenSMTPD, OpenBGPD...
- brynet 13y agoBob Beck (beck@) has announced the Foundation has received over $100,000 in donations from users / companies in the past week. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=139024400731106&w=2 http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=139024400731106&w=2 A campaign page for 2014 has been setup to help the project throughout the year. It includes a fancy progress bar. http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/campaign2014.html http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/campaign2014.html