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For the love of goodness, please link to the release notes! Cannot fathom why people do this (and its not just OP - it happens all the time). http://www.freebs

by _wmd 13y ago

For the love of goodness, please link to the release notes! Cannot fathom why people do this (and its not just OP - it happens all the time). http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/10-STABLE/relnotes/article.html http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/10-STABLE/relnotes/article.h... Most interesting to me, this is the first stable release supporting netmap(4).. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=netmap&sektion=4 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=netmap&sektion=4

justin66 13y ago
The two common reasons are that they're resubmitting something that's already been submitted the reasonable way or they're letting everyone know before the official release notes have been published. That second one is a little risky sometimes, since it's not uncommon for the linked release directory to be filled with something that turns out not to be correct.
tachion 13y ago
You are linking to 10-STABLE release notes, and 10.0-RELEASE is something else, than STABLE branch. STABLE's are a bit ahead of RELEASE's and are considered to be less stable than RELEASE's - the wording is a bit misleading.
- pyvpx 13y ago
  less stable than release? that's news to me. have any official wording to back that up? I'm intensely curious
  - evilgjb 13y ago
    '-STABLE' refers to ABI/KBI stability.
  - Freaky 13y ago
    http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html > FreeBSD-STABLE is the development branch from which major releases are made. Changes go into this branch at a different pace, and with the general assumption that they have first gone into FreeBSD-CURRENT for testing. This is still a development branch, however, and this means that at any given time, the sources for FreeBSD-STABLE may or may not be suitable for any particular purpose. It is simply another engineering development track, not a resource for end-users.
- ricardobeat 13y ago
  That doesn't make much sense. In what kind of versioning scheme does a release not contain the same code as the stable branch in a specific version? In that case calling them "Release notes" is even more confusing...
  - msbarnett 13y ago
    RELEASE is an artifact. STABLE is a development branch for the current non-experimental (stable) branch and from which releases are cut. It's still a development branch, though, so things can break on it. Since 10-RELEASE was just cut it's probably close (identical?) to 10-STABLE, but that won't last long.
  - cdjk 13y ago
    In this case STABLE refers to the ABI, not the code itself. RELEASE is code that doesn't change, other than security patches and major bugs. It is confusing, however, but there is some logic to it.
  - takeda 13y ago
    In short what you get from STABLE branch is what version 10.1 will have. Here is an explanation: - RELEASE is actual release that is forked out (it will only contain security and other critical fixes) of the STABLE branch. - STABLE is just a development branch (currently it is anything in version 10) as opposed to CURRENT which is a bleeding edge. - CURRENT is what will be next version (version 11), once they finish adding features it will become next STABLE branch and CURRENT will be used for version 12. While everything that ends up at STABLE needs to go through pointyhat build system, so it should always compile and pass regression testing, there's still a possibility of things breaking up. Since 10.0 is about to be released STABLE contains what will become 10.1. Here's example how the branches look like: ----------------- CURRENT (version 11) \ -STABLE (version 10) --- \ \ - 10.0-RELEASE - 10.1-RELEASE \ \ -p1 -p2 At this time since 10.0 was just released 10-STABLE will be very close to 10.0-RELEASE
- _wmd 13y ago
  Nitpickingly, sure, but mere hours since the release was cut, they're for all intents and purposes identical.
- pconf 13y ago
  It is unfortunate that FreeBSD chose those names to attract people to the pre-release versions. What's needed is a section of the website clarifying: CURRENT = alpha, dev STABLE = beta, rc RELEASE = passed all tests and released That's not to say that things never break in releases. I've seen gjournalled disks (on a gmirror) require fsck (in 8 and 9 -REL) and carp fail (in 7 -REL). Other than those FreeBSD has been the most reliable, secure and up-to-date of any Unix or Linux distribution I've used. My only request would be a policy discouraging ports with perl build-deps, most of which seem to be one-liners that could easily use awk, sed and/or grep instead of forcing a perl build on every upgrade (most not even bothering to remove the build-deps when done).
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signa11 13y ago
>Most interesting to me, this is the first stable release supporting netmap(4) is this similar (or better) to linux's pf_ring ?

by _wmd 13y ago

justin66 13y ago

The two common reasons are that they're resubmitting something that's already been submitted the reasonable way or they're letting everyone know before the official release notes have been published. That second one is a little risky sometimes, since it's not uncommon for the linked release directory to be filled with something that turns out not to be correct.

tachion 13y ago

You are linking to 10-STABLE release notes, and 10.0-RELEASE is something else, than STABLE branch. STABLE's are a bit ahead of RELEASE's and are considered to be less stable than RELEASE's - the wording is a bit misleading.

pyvpx 13y ago
less stable than release? that's news to me. have any official wording to back that up? I'm intensely curious
- evilgjb 13y ago
  '-STABLE' refers to ABI/KBI stability.
- Freaky 13y ago
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/current-stable.html > FreeBSD-STABLE is the development branch from which major releases are made. Changes go into this branch at a different pace, and with the general assumption that they have first gone into FreeBSD-CURRENT for testing. This is still a development branch, however, and this means that at any given time, the sources for FreeBSD-STABLE may or may not be suitable for any particular purpose. It is simply another engineering development track, not a resource for end-users.
ricardobeat 13y ago
That doesn't make much sense. In what kind of versioning scheme does a release not contain the same code as the stable branch in a specific version? In that case calling them "Release notes" is even more confusing...
- msbarnett 13y ago
  RELEASE is an artifact. STABLE is a development branch for the current non-experimental (stable) branch and from which releases are cut. It's still a development branch, though, so things can break on it. Since 10-RELEASE was just cut it's probably close (identical?) to 10-STABLE, but that won't last long.
- cdjk 13y ago
  In this case STABLE refers to the ABI, not the code itself. RELEASE is code that doesn't change, other than security patches and major bugs. It is confusing, however, but there is some logic to it.
- takeda 13y ago
  In short what you get from STABLE branch is what version 10.1 will have. Here is an explanation: - RELEASE is actual release that is forked out (it will only contain security and other critical fixes) of the STABLE branch. - STABLE is just a development branch (currently it is anything in version 10) as opposed to CURRENT which is a bleeding edge. - CURRENT is what will be next version (version 11), once they finish adding features it will become next STABLE branch and CURRENT will be used for version 12. While everything that ends up at STABLE needs to go through pointyhat build system, so it should always compile and pass regression testing, there's still a possibility of things breaking up. Since 10.0 is about to be released STABLE contains what will become 10.1. Here's example how the branches look like: ----------------- CURRENT (version 11) \ -STABLE (version 10) --- \ \ - 10.0-RELEASE - 10.1-RELEASE \ \ -p1 -p2 At this time since 10.0 was just released 10-STABLE will be very close to 10.0-RELEASE
_wmd 13y ago
Nitpickingly, sure, but mere hours since the release was cut, they're for all intents and purposes identical.
pconf 13y ago
It is unfortunate that FreeBSD chose those names to attract people to the pre-release versions. What's needed is a section of the website clarifying: CURRENT = alpha, dev STABLE = beta, rc RELEASE = passed all tests and released That's not to say that things never break in releases. I've seen gjournalled disks (on a gmirror) require fsck (in 8 and 9 -REL) and carp fail (in 7 -REL). Other than those FreeBSD has been the most reliable, secure and up-to-date of any Unix or Linux distribution I've used. My only request would be a policy discouraging ports with perl build-deps, most of which seem to be one-liners that could easily use awk, sed and/or grep instead of forcing a perl build on every upgrade (most not even bothering to remove the build-deps when done).
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signa11 13y ago

>Most interesting to me, this is the first stable release supporting netmap(4) is this similar (or better) to linux's pf_ring ?