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There is a project called GNU remotecontrol that I just discovered that could be used for this purpose. It's important that you can be in control of your thermo

There is a project called GNU remotecontrol that I just discovered that could be used for this purpose. It's important that you can be in control of your thermostat data instead of handing it over to Google/Nest/some other malicious vendor.

deelowe 13y ago
"malicious"... ohh, comeon. That's a stretch. This suggests there is an intention of doing harm. Creepy, maybe, but not malicious.
- davexunit 13y ago
  They are harming your privacy and freedoms.
  - aioprisan 13y ago
    can you quantify that harm?
    - Crito 13y ago
      Is all legitimate harm quantifiable? Going from a few examples that obviously cause harm, beyond dispute, I can immediately think of several that do not lend themselves to quantification. (I hesitate to list them, lest I incur low-brow "Do you really think what google is doing is that bad?!?" comments (hint: harm, while not necessary quantifiable, is not all made equal), but if you really can't think of any examples I can list a few.)
    - g8oz 13y ago
      Since the lack of transparency is part of the harm, no, we can't quantify it. It's theoretical until it isn't.
    - tunesmith 13y ago
      the fact we can't quantify that harm is part of the problem, is it not?
  - triangleman 13y ago
    But not maliciously.
- nav1 13y ago
  It still seems like a really bad idea to rely on a third-party to control your heating. They might not have any malicious intents, but they could just shut down the service one day and your thermostat won't be worth much anymore. Not to mention the security implications of running your thermostat on some remote server that you don't control.
  - deelowe 13y ago
    Which was not in anything I posted. I simply said that stating these companies are malicious is a bit far fetched. That said, there's microcontrollers and firmware in all programable thermostats (not to mention the heat pump). Most people today already rely on third parties to heat and cool their homes.

deelowe 13y ago

"malicious"... ohh, comeon. That's a stretch. This suggests there is an intention of doing harm. Creepy, maybe, but not malicious.

davexunit 13y ago
They are harming your privacy and freedoms.
- aioprisan 13y ago
  can you quantify that harm?
  - Crito 13y ago
    Is all legitimate harm quantifiable? Going from a few examples that obviously cause harm, beyond dispute, I can immediately think of several that do not lend themselves to quantification. (I hesitate to list them, lest I incur low-brow "Do you really think what google is doing is that bad?!?" comments (hint: harm, while not necessary quantifiable, is not all made equal), but if you really can't think of any examples I can list a few.)
  - g8oz 13y ago
    Since the lack of transparency is part of the harm, no, we can't quantify it. It's theoretical until it isn't.
  - tunesmith 13y ago
    the fact we can't quantify that harm is part of the problem, is it not?
- triangleman 13y ago
  But not maliciously.
nav1 13y ago
It still seems like a really bad idea to rely on a third-party to control your heating. They might not have any malicious intents, but they could just shut down the service one day and your thermostat won't be worth much anymore. Not to mention the security implications of running your thermostat on some remote server that you don't control.
- deelowe 13y ago
  Which was not in anything I posted. I simply said that stating these companies are malicious is a bit far fetched. That said, there's microcontrollers and firmware in all programable thermostats (not to mention the heat pump). Most people today already rely on third parties to heat and cool their homes.