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The scary part about this is the change it makes in the dynamic with the original employer - they know that you have once before sought other opportunities and

The scary part about this is the change it makes in the dynamic with the original employer - they know that you have once before sought other opportunities and decided to quit. It wasn't a purely economic decision - there had to be a lack of excitement to justify the uprooting of your career. Perhaps the counteroffer is a guise as they hire somebody to replace you, then you'll be let go as soon as they hire somebody. The relationship can never be as "warm and fuzzy" as before you tried to quit.

Domenic_S 13y ago
Good way to put it, the "relationship". Two people are dating, one is an alcoholic. The other says, "I'm leaving, we've talked about your drinking 100 times and nothing changes so I'm leaving you. Bye." The drunk says, "oh no, stay with me and I'll stop drinking!" Does that situation ever turn out well?
- fennecfoxen 13y ago
  Well. In this case, the company could offer money, and maybe even contractual guarantees of continued employment. If structured properly these may be worth more than empty promises.
  - Domenic_S 13y ago
    Sure, but usually money isn't the root cause, and who wants guaranteed employment at a place they despise? A person with a solid job that isn't on the chopping block (presumed because of the presence of a counteroffer) isn't job-shopping for a 10% bump.
    - clemc 13y ago
      Completely agree - look at what is the root problem here. Getting a higher salary and stay, is just delaying the issue.
    - marcosdumay 13y ago
      > Sure, but usually money isn't the root cause Not so fast. I, for example never changed jobs for any other reason. Of course, I never got only a 10% bump, but well, we do need money, and we should try to get more of it with time.
elviejo 13y ago
Precisely... I would say never accept a counter offer. If you decided to leave there must be other things that bother you besides money. Those reasons aren't going to change. So if you accept more money you would be happier for about 6 months and then reality will settle in... and would still be unhappy and planning to leave anyway. Even if you are happy with your current job and the only reason to leave is to have a pay increase, when you receive a counter offer with more money you shouldn't stay either. Because a raise by means of counter offer, means that salary at your current employer aren't fair and are based just on negotiation skills alone.

Domenic_S 13y ago

Good way to put it, the "relationship". Two people are dating, one is an alcoholic. The other says, "I'm leaving, we've talked about your drinking 100 times and nothing changes so I'm leaving you. Bye." The drunk says, "oh no, stay with me and I'll stop drinking!" Does that situation ever turn out well?

fennecfoxen 13y ago
Well. In this case, the company could offer money, and maybe even contractual guarantees of continued employment. If structured properly these may be worth more than empty promises.
- Domenic_S 13y ago
  Sure, but usually money isn't the root cause, and who wants guaranteed employment at a place they despise? A person with a solid job that isn't on the chopping block (presumed because of the presence of a counteroffer) isn't job-shopping for a 10% bump.
  - clemc 13y ago
    Completely agree - look at what is the root problem here. Getting a higher salary and stay, is just delaying the issue.
  - marcosdumay 13y ago
    > Sure, but usually money isn't the root cause Not so fast. I, for example never changed jobs for any other reason. Of course, I never got only a 10% bump, but well, we do need money, and we should try to get more of it with time.

elviejo 13y ago

Precisely... I would say never accept a counter offer. If you decided to leave there must be other things that bother you besides money. Those reasons aren't going to change. So if you accept more money you would be happier for about 6 months and then reality will settle in... and would still be unhappy and planning to leave anyway. Even if you are happy with your current job and the only reason to leave is to have a pay increase, when you receive a counter offer with more money you shouldn't stay either. Because a raise by means of counter offer, means that salary at your current employer aren't fair and are based just on negotiation skills alone.