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You talk like this is a solved problem, dualism and monoism are as old as philosophy, both have valid and compelling arguments. Fortunately the world isn't a b
by 1stop 13y ago
You talk like this is a solved problem, dualism and monoism are as old as philosophy, both have valid and compelling arguments.
Fortunately the world isn't a binary state machine and neither of these arguments are the right (or wrong) answer
- kamaal 13y agoI never said its a solved problem. It probably won't for many decades or may be even centuries. But probably for the fist time, we have a real chance of achieving these sort of goals.
- xmonkee 13y agoNo. You're missing the point. You seem to assume that its a given that human consciousness can result from a created machine. We still don't know where consciousness resides, not even going into stuff like qualia. We aren't close to these "goals", we probably aren't even in the same century.
- actsasbuffoon 13y agoA sufficiently realistic physics simulation would eventually evolve life, otherwise it wouldn't be very realistic. Simulating an entire universe as a roundabout way of simulating consciousness is probably the least efficient way to accomplish it, but it shows that it should be possible. Now we're just talking about a question of optimization; how can we simulate a single consciousness without also simulating a world around it.
- eevilspock 13y agoThe simulator has to be "larger" than the simulation by definition, so you can't simulate the universe. You don't need to understand information theory to see this.
- actsasbuffoon 13y agoI understand that quite well, but your statement only applies to a perfect simulation of a universe of roughly equivalent information density. Simulating a smaller universe or excluding details which have little impact on the outcome are both reasonable ways around the problem. This entire thing is a digression anyway, as I was attempting to illustrate that a computer can most certainly simulate consciousness, not trying to start a discussion about the feasability of building a complete simulation of our entire universe.
- ctdonath 13y agoWe still don't know where consciousness resides However, we do know where it doesn't reside.
- crag 13y agoBy the way, we aren't the only beings on this world with consciousness. In fact, depending on your belief system everything might have a conscious. Even plant life - on some level we can not experience. It all goes back to Gaia - the earth. Is the earth alive? These are issues we've been trying to answer for thousands of years. And frankly I doubt we're ever answer them. The more tech we create the more we detach ourselves from this world. So can we ever answer them? Moving our minds (assuming you can) into the "cloud" won't answer them If anything, we become further detached from the world. But I wonder, if that has to be true.
- xmonkee 13y agoNo. You're missing the point. You seem to assume that its a given that human consciousness can result from a created machine. We still don't know where consciousness resides, not even going into stuff like qualia. We aren't close to these "goals", we probably aren't even in the same century.
- marcosdumay 13y agoMost problems that plage philosophy for milenia are independently solved in minutes, by several different people once they have any kind of impact on the real world.