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＞Then why doesn't the CCP just unblock twitter, facebook, g+, and so on? It seems that you believe China government helped local players succeed. That is not t

＞Then why doesn't the CCP just unblock twitter, facebook, g+, and so on? It seems that you believe China government helped local players succeed. That is not true in general. The private local Internet companies are not the government's child. They are mostly controlled by foreign investors.

seanmcdirmid 13y ago
The CCP likes companies they can control, whether there are foreign investors or not. This is especially important since the rule of law isn't so developed in China and often directives go through non-legal channels, which Google couldn't deal with while Baidu has no problem with it. Both of these companies are listed on the Nasdaq, but one is controlled by Americans and the other by Chinese.
- turingbook 13y ago
  If CCP wanted to control the Internet, it should help Renmin, Xinhua, Wangfujing or China Mobile to be market leaders, not Baidu, Sina, Taobao or Tencent. Actually except Baidu vs. Google, you can not think out other examples the government made big impact. The other competitions in Internet between Yahoo vs. Sina, eBay/Amazon vs. Taobao/JD, MSN messenger vs. QQ, are all good counter-examples. Foreign companies can not adapt to needs from local users. That is the key. The market is the king to decide the fates of Internet companies and products in China generally. Others are important but not critical.
  - seanmcdirmid 13y ago
    > Foreign companies can not adapt to needs from local users. That is the key. The market is the king to decide the fates of Internet companies and products in China generally. Others are important but not critical. And yet, all those companies do very well in HK, Singapore, Taiwan; aren't they Chinese also? Why is the mainland market so different from other smaller Chinese markets? They also do well in Indonesia, Thailand, Nepal, India...while the Chinese companies...they are just going to be stuck being local.
    - turingbook 13y ago
      I do not know a lot about the things outside China. But Japan is another example that many foreign Internet companies struggle. Maybe we could add Russia. These markets have something common. HK and Taiwan are too small market to have strong enough local team.
      - seanmcdirmid 13y ago
        Google and Facebook still do very well in Japan. Yahoo does also, obviously. Russia is no where as near as closed as China is, and many international companies do well there. China is quite unique. Supposedly, Chinese internet companies should do well in HK/Taiwan, these markets are definitely open to them, but since they don't have to compete with international brands in the mainland, they are not competitive enough to operate very well on the outside. Besides, any service run inside China is taboo outside of China (and Americans think the NSA is bad...).

seanmcdirmid 13y ago

The CCP likes companies they can control, whether there are foreign investors or not. This is especially important since the rule of law isn't so developed in China and often directives go through non-legal channels, which Google couldn't deal with while Baidu has no problem with it. Both of these companies are listed on the Nasdaq, but one is controlled by Americans and the other by Chinese.

turingbook 13y ago
If CCP wanted to control the Internet, it should help Renmin, Xinhua, Wangfujing or China Mobile to be market leaders, not Baidu, Sina, Taobao or Tencent. Actually except Baidu vs. Google, you can not think out other examples the government made big impact. The other competitions in Internet between Yahoo vs. Sina, eBay/Amazon vs. Taobao/JD, MSN messenger vs. QQ, are all good counter-examples. Foreign companies can not adapt to needs from local users. That is the key. The market is the king to decide the fates of Internet companies and products in China generally. Others are important but not critical.
- seanmcdirmid 13y ago
  > Foreign companies can not adapt to needs from local users. That is the key. The market is the king to decide the fates of Internet companies and products in China generally. Others are important but not critical. And yet, all those companies do very well in HK, Singapore, Taiwan; aren't they Chinese also? Why is the mainland market so different from other smaller Chinese markets? They also do well in Indonesia, Thailand, Nepal, India...while the Chinese companies...they are just going to be stuck being local.
  - turingbook 13y ago
    I do not know a lot about the things outside China. But Japan is another example that many foreign Internet companies struggle. Maybe we could add Russia. These markets have something common. HK and Taiwan are too small market to have strong enough local team.
    - seanmcdirmid 13y ago
      Google and Facebook still do very well in Japan. Yahoo does also, obviously. Russia is no where as near as closed as China is, and many international companies do well there. China is quite unique. Supposedly, Chinese internet companies should do well in HK/Taiwan, these markets are definitely open to them, but since they don't have to compete with international brands in the mainland, they are not competitive enough to operate very well on the outside. Besides, any service run inside China is taboo outside of China (and Americans think the NSA is bad...).