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Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam

158 points by pnhoang 13y ago

nodata 13y ago
Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=vi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fphunukieuviet.vn%2Fphap-luat%2Fcong-nhan-dung-do-voi-bao-ve-samsung-thai-nguyen-8-nguoi-chet.html http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=vi&tl=en&u=ht... English article from "The Hindu": http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/workers-building-samsung-factory-run-riot-in-vietnam/article5557754.ece http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/workers-building-s...
- DigitalBison 13y ago
  The Hindu article mentions 4 injured, but not 8 dead. Is there another source on the 8 dead figure?
  - JustMadMike 13y ago
    This is the best source I can find. "11 people were injured, 5 of them seriously" http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages/20140109-11-injured-over-brawl-in-samsung-plant-in-northern-vietnam.aspx http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages/20140109-11-injured...
JimmaDaRustla 13y ago
Ah, so its workers building the plant, not the workers manufacturing their products.
- ddebernardy 13y ago
  It's not good publicity either way...
  - JimmaDaRustla 13y ago
    No, not at all. Like the other article linked by nodata, companies are moving from China to Vietnam because its cheaper. Seems a little greedy.
    - Sharlin 13y ago
      I wonder what happens when they run out of countries to move to.
      - jackgavigan 13y ago
        Elon Musk starts to make a LOT of money! :-)
      - Offler 13y ago
        Wages go up.
        mpclark 13y ago
        Hahaha! Very funny. Perhaps we'll move away from consuming things that need to be manufactured and towards digital goods instead.
      - acheron 13y ago
        Robots.
        waterlesscloud 13y ago
        This is of course the actual answer, as much as people don't want to face it. Once all the prospects for very cheap human labor are exhausted, the work goes to robots. It doesn't go to higher paid humans. That future will not happen.
      - chmike 13y ago
        Africa is the next eldorado for manufacturing. It has already started.
theorique 13y ago
Hope this doesn't push the release date forward. (edit: Irony, people. Irony.)
- Joeboy 13y ago
  Still not a very funny response to the recent death of eight people.
  - exodust 13y ago
    Except that nobody died.
    - Joeboy 13y ago
      http://phunukieuviet.vn/phap-luat/cong-nhan-dung-do-voi-bao-ve-samsung-thai-nguyen-8-nguoi-chet.html http://phunukieuviet.vn/phap-luat/cong-nhan-dung-do-voi-bao-... says they did, as did the original submission title. But yes, it now seems like the reports of their deaths may have been exaggerated.
- gabriel34 13y ago
  Without clues such as facial expression, tone of voice and knowing who is it that you are talking to irony is indistinguishable from a normal statement. You could try to exaggerate to the point that it would be ridiculous for a sane person to assume you are serious, but it's not reliable. Avoid Irony/Sarcasm on the internet.
  - exodust 13y ago
    Avoid what now? Leave internet irony and sarcasm alone! We are not robots until proven otherwise by facial expressions and other physical properties. Wait, is your post sarcasm? I know the one before the one before was, but I thought that was obvious. Meanwhile, men attack scooters.
  - theorique 13y ago
    Yeah, I think I need to use an explicit "/s" tag. No one can read how hilarious I am in real life when it's in the generic font.
sanxiyn 13y ago
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__-i61Wn3CM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__-i61Wn3CM
mark_lee 13y ago
Not really, those companies they won't move out as quickly as expected, they know what's gonna happen soon, China will need them again as soon as some real estate bubbles burst.
GigabyteCoin 13y ago
I just watched the grapes of wrath last night for the first time. Amazing movie. It was released in 1940, just a year after the book. I guess some things will never change, unfortunately. I hope someone gives these poor workers the decent wages and decent lives they deserve, and soon.
- manachar 13y ago
  > I guess some things will never change, unfortunately. I feel this way too sometimes, but if you step back you realize things change all the time. In America people banded together into worker's unions which fought tooth and nail to be treated fairly. Unions in America clearly have some shortcomings, but it did manage to move the needle from Grapes of Wrath style living to a more equitable and humane existence for workers. Clearly these workers (and elsewhere in Asia) are starting to organize. Perhaps they too can enjoy a larger portion of the fruits of their labour. Of course, the downside of constant change is things can get worse too and it's often very difficult to know which direction makes things better and which direction will makes things worse. Indeed, most won't even agree on what is better and what is worse.

158 points by pnhoang 13y ago

Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=vi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fphunukieuviet.vn%2Fphap-luat%2Fcong-nhan-dung-do-voi-bao-ve-samsung-thai-nguyen-8-nguoi-chet.html http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=vi&tl=en&u=ht... English article from "The Hindu": http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/workers-building-samsung-factory-run-riot-in-vietnam/article5557754.ece http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/workers-building-s...

DigitalBison 13y ago
The Hindu article mentions 4 injured, but not 8 dead. Is there another source on the 8 dead figure?
- JustMadMike 13y ago
  This is the best source I can find. "11 people were injured, 5 of them seriously" http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages/20140109-11-injured-over-brawl-in-samsung-plant-in-northern-vietnam.aspx http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages/20140109-11-injured...

JimmaDaRustla 13y ago

Ah, so its workers building the plant, not the workers manufacturing their products.

ddebernardy 13y ago
It's not good publicity either way...
- JimmaDaRustla 13y ago
  No, not at all. Like the other article linked by nodata, companies are moving from China to Vietnam because its cheaper. Seems a little greedy.
  - Sharlin 13y ago
    I wonder what happens when they run out of countries to move to.
    - jackgavigan 13y ago
      Elon Musk starts to make a LOT of money! :-)
    - Offler 13y ago
      Wages go up.
      - mpclark 13y ago
        Hahaha! Very funny. Perhaps we'll move away from consuming things that need to be manufactured and towards digital goods instead.
    - acheron 13y ago
      Robots.
      - waterlesscloud 13y ago
        This is of course the actual answer, as much as people don't want to face it. Once all the prospects for very cheap human labor are exhausted, the work goes to robots. It doesn't go to higher paid humans. That future will not happen.
    - chmike 13y ago
      Africa is the next eldorado for manufacturing. It has already started.

theorique 13y ago

Hope this doesn't push the release date forward. (edit: Irony, people. Irony.)

Joeboy 13y ago
Still not a very funny response to the recent death of eight people.
- exodust 13y ago
  Except that nobody died.
  - Joeboy 13y ago
    http://phunukieuviet.vn/phap-luat/cong-nhan-dung-do-voi-bao-ve-samsung-thai-nguyen-8-nguoi-chet.html http://phunukieuviet.vn/phap-luat/cong-nhan-dung-do-voi-bao-... says they did, as did the original submission title. But yes, it now seems like the reports of their deaths may have been exaggerated.
gabriel34 13y ago
Without clues such as facial expression, tone of voice and knowing who is it that you are talking to irony is indistinguishable from a normal statement. You could try to exaggerate to the point that it would be ridiculous for a sane person to assume you are serious, but it's not reliable. Avoid Irony/Sarcasm on the internet.
- exodust 13y ago
  Avoid what now? Leave internet irony and sarcasm alone! We are not robots until proven otherwise by facial expressions and other physical properties. Wait, is your post sarcasm? I know the one before the one before was, but I thought that was obvious. Meanwhile, men attack scooters.
- theorique 13y ago
  Yeah, I think I need to use an explicit "/s" tag. No one can read how hilarious I am in real life when it's in the generic font.

sanxiyn 13y ago

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__-i61Wn3CM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__-i61Wn3CM

mark_lee 13y ago

Not really, those companies they won't move out as quickly as expected, they know what's gonna happen soon, China will need them again as soon as some real estate bubbles burst.

GigabyteCoin 13y ago

I just watched the grapes of wrath last night for the first time. Amazing movie. It was released in 1940, just a year after the book. I guess some things will never change, unfortunately. I hope someone gives these poor workers the decent wages and decent lives they deserve, and soon.

manachar 13y ago
> I guess some things will never change, unfortunately. I feel this way too sometimes, but if you step back you realize things change all the time. In America people banded together into worker's unions which fought tooth and nail to be treated fairly. Unions in America clearly have some shortcomings, but it did manage to move the needle from Grapes of Wrath style living to a more equitable and humane existence for workers. Clearly these workers (and elsewhere in Asia) are starting to organize. Perhaps they too can enjoy a larger portion of the fruits of their labour. Of course, the downside of constant change is things can get worse too and it's often very difficult to know which direction makes things better and which direction will makes things worse. Indeed, most won't even agree on what is better and what is worse.