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A PDF? What is this?

by nilved 13y ago

sp332 13y ago
I know the link says .pdf at the end, but it's actually a webpage with the option to download a pdf. https://wiki.python.org/moin/2.x-vs-3.x-survey?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=2013-2014+Python+2.x-3.x+survey.pdf https://wiki.python.org/moin/2.x-vs-3.x-survey?action=Attach...
Demiurge 13y ago
There we go... Q1 Have you ever written code in Python 2.x? Yes - 97.51% 4,660 No - 2.49% 119 Q2 Have you ever written code in Python 3.x? Yes - 60% 2,862 No - 40% 1,908 Q3 Do you currently write more code in Python 2.x or Python 3.x? Python 2.x - 78.09% 3,692 Python 3.x - 21.91% 1,036 Q4 Do you think Python 3.x was a mistake? Yes - 22.91% 1,071 No - 77.09% 3,603 Q5 Do you have dependencies keeping you on Python 2.x? Yes - 61.46% 2,883 No - 38.54% 1,808 Q6 Have you ever ported code from Python 2.x to Python 3.x? Yes - 32.83% 1,554 No - 67.17% 3,179 Q7 Have you ever written/ported code using 2to3? Yes - 16.27% 768 No - 83.73% 3,953 Q8 Have you ever written/ported code using 3to2? Yes - 1.93% 91 No - 98.07% 4,627 Q9 Have you ever written/ported code to run on Python 2.x and Python 3.x unmodified? Yes - 31.12% 1,473 No - 68.88% 3,261
leephillips 13y ago
PDF stands for "Portable Document Format". It was invented by Adobe; you can find more information about it at http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/adobepdf.html http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/adobepdf.html . It's an excellent format for sharing documents, because, unlike, for example, HTML, it preserves formatting exactly and it can be self contained: you can embed all the fonts for a document within the PDF. It has some disadvantages compared with HTML: it doesn't reflow and is slower to search through, for example. But when you need or want a document's formatting to be preserved in detail, PDF and Postscript are the only open specifications you can turn to, aside from just using images.
- nilved 13y ago
  I meant it in the "What is this shit?" or "What is this, 2004?" sense. There's no reason to use PDFs, especially when we're talking about developers and development. I'm not going to install a program just to view your document.
  - claystu 13y ago
    What are you running that can't view a pdf?
    - nilved 13y ago
      It's not as much "can't view a pdf" as it is "not willing to pull in 20 packages and dependencies to view a pdf." You might as well send it around as a spreadsheet: who doesn't have Excel installed??? I appreciate the text-based version that was posted in this thread, thank you!
      - nantes 13y ago
        I don't have Excel installed, but can PDFs just fine, thank you.
      - twright0 13y ago
        If you're working solely in an environment so minimal and obscure that it can't view a PDF, I think you've lost the right to be catered to (and complain) when it comes to document format decisions. The comparison to Excel is absurd; PDF is an open format and has been for more than five years.
      - mastermojo 13y ago
        what system are you running such that viewing a pdf takes 20 packages and dependencies? How are you on hacker news if you can't get your system to view pdfs?
- sitkack 13y ago
  He means, "wtf, why is there a wiki page with a download link to a pdf that contains maybe 2k of data tops" we both know he knows what a pdf is. He is complaining about a shittier version of sharepoint, something we can all get behind.
userbinator 13y ago
I was also expecting a long article or something when it turned out to be just a few bar graphs and tables. No complex formatting or anything else that would possibly justify it. Why can't they just put the results on the webpage directly so we don't have to take an extra step? That's what bothers me the most.

A PDF? What is this?

by nilved 13y ago

A PDF? What is this?

sp332 13y ago

I know the link says .pdf at the end, but it's actually a webpage with the option to download a pdf. https://wiki.python.org/moin/2.x-vs-3.x-survey?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=2013-2014+Python+2.x-3.x+survey.pdf https://wiki.python.org/moin/2.x-vs-3.x-survey?action=Attach...

Demiurge 13y ago

There we go... Q1 Have you ever written code in Python 2.x? Yes - 97.51% 4,660 No - 2.49% 119 Q2 Have you ever written code in Python 3.x? Yes - 60% 2,862 No - 40% 1,908 Q3 Do you currently write more code in Python 2.x or Python 3.x? Python 2.x - 78.09% 3,692 Python 3.x - 21.91% 1,036 Q4 Do you think Python 3.x was a mistake? Yes - 22.91% 1,071 No - 77.09% 3,603 Q5 Do you have dependencies keeping you on Python 2.x? Yes - 61.46% 2,883 No - 38.54% 1,808 Q6 Have you ever ported code from Python 2.x to Python 3.x? Yes - 32.83% 1,554 No - 67.17% 3,179 Q7 Have you ever written/ported code using 2to3? Yes - 16.27% 768 No - 83.73% 3,953 Q8 Have you ever written/ported code using 3to2? Yes - 1.93% 91 No - 98.07% 4,627 Q9 Have you ever written/ported code to run on Python 2.x and Python 3.x unmodified? Yes - 31.12% 1,473 No - 68.88% 3,261

leephillips 13y ago

PDF stands for "Portable Document Format". It was invented by Adobe; you can find more information about it at http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/adobepdf.html http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/adobepdf.html . It's an excellent format for sharing documents, because, unlike, for example, HTML, it preserves formatting exactly and it can be self contained: you can embed all the fonts for a document within the PDF. It has some disadvantages compared with HTML: it doesn't reflow and is slower to search through, for example. But when you need or want a document's formatting to be preserved in detail, PDF and Postscript are the only open specifications you can turn to, aside from just using images.

nilved 13y ago
I meant it in the "What is this shit?" or "What is this, 2004?" sense. There's no reason to use PDFs, especially when we're talking about developers and development. I'm not going to install a program just to view your document.
- claystu 13y ago
  What are you running that can't view a pdf?
  - nilved 13y ago
    It's not as much "can't view a pdf" as it is "not willing to pull in 20 packages and dependencies to view a pdf." You might as well send it around as a spreadsheet: who doesn't have Excel installed??? I appreciate the text-based version that was posted in this thread, thank you!
    - nantes 13y ago
      I don't have Excel installed, but can PDFs just fine, thank you.
    - twright0 13y ago
      If you're working solely in an environment so minimal and obscure that it can't view a PDF, I think you've lost the right to be catered to (and complain) when it comes to document format decisions. The comparison to Excel is absurd; PDF is an open format and has been for more than five years.
    - mastermojo 13y ago
      what system are you running such that viewing a pdf takes 20 packages and dependencies? How are you on hacker news if you can't get your system to view pdfs?
sitkack 13y ago
He means, "wtf, why is there a wiki page with a download link to a pdf that contains maybe 2k of data tops" we both know he knows what a pdf is. He is complaining about a shittier version of sharepoint, something we can all get behind.

userbinator 13y ago

I was also expecting a long article or something when it turned out to be just a few bar graphs and tables. No complex formatting or anything else that would possibly justify it. Why can't they just put the results on the webpage directly so we don't have to take an extra step? That's what bothers me the most.