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Oh, people down voting because of Godwin's law? Fine... Armenians in Ottoman Turkey, Anti-Communists/Stalinists in Soviet Union, Anti-Communists in China, Maya

by talmand 13y ago

Oh, people down voting because of Godwin's law? Fine... Armenians in Ottoman Turkey, Anti-Communists/Stalinists in Soviet Union, Anti-Communists in China, Mayan Indians in Guatemala, Christians in Uganda, General Population in Cambodia There are lots of examples of gun confiscations preceding mass murders. Not that every gun confiscations lead to mass murder since there are examples of that not happening. But to ignore the possibilities in some areas of the world is just being naive.

pjungwir 13y ago
Even if the situation does not progress to dictatorship or mass murder, gun registration often (inexorably?) leads to confiscation. See Canada and New York State.
- frenchy 13y ago
  Confiscation in Canada? I'm not well informed on gun laws but I know we have plenty of gun carriers (registered and illegal), most of them live in rural areas.
  - scott_karana 13y ago
    Check out the controversy over the recent High River, Alberta gun seizures. During a recent flood, numerous evacuated homes that were entered by the RCMP had their houseowners' firearms seized, regardless of whether they were stored securely and legally. A total of 542 firearms were seized. There are ongoing debates as to whether any homes were entered for the sole purpose of seizure.[1] "Plenty" of gun carriers is a stretch too, since Authorizations to Carry are very uncommon for private citizens, and typically are only issued to Brinks-truck operators and trappers in areas with high wildlife risk. Only ~9000 are issued per year.[2] [1] http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-felt-political-pressure-over-alberta-flood-gun-seizures-1.2442859 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-felt-political-pressure... [2] http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-may-carry-handguns-in-canada-1.1135084 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-may-carry-handguns-in-cana...
    - talmand 13y ago
      The same thing happened in New Orleans after Katrina. Personally, I would have no problem with this as long as they logged the seized property correctly and provided means for the owners to retrieve their property at a later date.
      - gknoy 13y ago
        I'd trust such a "Means to retrieve" about as far as I can throw it. FOIA requests are often denied or returned completely redacted, and I'd expect any similar "give me back my gun" requests to be either rubber stamped, or mired in enough red tape that it would be more cost effective to buy a new one.
      - scott_karana 13y ago
        It's one thing if the RCMP announces their intent, and works with property owners to properly secure the guns. It's entirely another for it to be "discovered" by other parties, and then be explained post-facto. Suspicious, to say the least.
quanticle 13y ago
The problem is that there are lots of examples of gun confiscations that did not lead to mass murder as well. If we look at Britain, or Australia, or Japan, all those regions once allowed gun ownership on much more liberal terms than they allow today. In the transition from having a liberal gun ownership policy to having a strict gun ownership policy, guns were confiscated. But I don't see anyone saying that Britain has turned into a totalitarian dictatorship.
- talmand 13y ago
  I said much the same thing. I fail to see how it's a problem in any discussion about gun control and/or confiscations. Some people would claim is on its way to totalitarianism considering the rise in government intrusion and control in people's lives. But that's a different debate.

by talmand 13y ago

pjungwir 13y ago

Even if the situation does not progress to dictatorship or mass murder, gun registration often (inexorably?) leads to confiscation. See Canada and New York State.

frenchy 13y ago
Confiscation in Canada? I'm not well informed on gun laws but I know we have plenty of gun carriers (registered and illegal), most of them live in rural areas.
- scott_karana 13y ago
  Check out the controversy over the recent High River, Alberta gun seizures. During a recent flood, numerous evacuated homes that were entered by the RCMP had their houseowners' firearms seized, regardless of whether they were stored securely and legally. A total of 542 firearms were seized. There are ongoing debates as to whether any homes were entered for the sole purpose of seizure.[1] "Plenty" of gun carriers is a stretch too, since Authorizations to Carry are very uncommon for private citizens, and typically are only issued to Brinks-truck operators and trappers in areas with high wildlife risk. Only ~9000 are issued per year.[2] [1] http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-felt-political-pressure-over-alberta-flood-gun-seizures-1.2442859 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-felt-political-pressure... [2] http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-may-carry-handguns-in-canada-1.1135084 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-may-carry-handguns-in-cana...
  - talmand 13y ago
    The same thing happened in New Orleans after Katrina. Personally, I would have no problem with this as long as they logged the seized property correctly and provided means for the owners to retrieve their property at a later date.
    - gknoy 13y ago
      I'd trust such a "Means to retrieve" about as far as I can throw it. FOIA requests are often denied or returned completely redacted, and I'd expect any similar "give me back my gun" requests to be either rubber stamped, or mired in enough red tape that it would be more cost effective to buy a new one.
    - scott_karana 13y ago
      It's one thing if the RCMP announces their intent, and works with property owners to properly secure the guns. It's entirely another for it to be "discovered" by other parties, and then be explained post-facto. Suspicious, to say the least.

quanticle 13y ago

The problem is that there are lots of examples of gun confiscations that did not lead to mass murder as well. If we look at Britain, or Australia, or Japan, all those regions once allowed gun ownership on much more liberal terms than they allow today. In the transition from having a liberal gun ownership policy to having a strict gun ownership policy, guns were confiscated. But I don't see anyone saying that Britain has turned into a totalitarian dictatorship.

talmand 13y ago
I said much the same thing. I fail to see how it's a problem in any discussion about gun control and/or confiscations. Some people would claim is on its way to totalitarianism considering the rise in government intrusion and control in people's lives. But that's a different debate.