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I have another idea. buy hundreds of drones, attach american dollars, attach non perishable food, guns, communication device, ammunition, manuals for guerilla w

I have another idea. buy hundreds of drones, attach american dollars, attach non perishable food, guns, communication device, ammunition, manuals for guerilla warfare. drop that shit all over North Korea outside of Pyongyang. It'd be Kim's worst nightmare when civilians are armed and not starving and have suddenly very motivated. The North Korean army is weak and starving, they have no fuel reserves to power their tanks (apart from shitty military parades), jets, navy. Only a matter of time. Just need funding from the CIA and we are good to go.

Houshalter 13y ago
I don't think it's that simple, and a civil war will only result in more death and suffering, even if it is successful. The people are very brainwashed and terrified. The regime would certainly consider it an act of war and possibly retaliate against South Korea.
- don_draper 13y ago
  Better to die fighting for your freedom than live in that hell hole.
  - yongjik 13y ago
    Probably, but that's North Koreans' choice to make. When you declare that other people live in a hellhole and start killing them for their freedom, there's a term for that: invasion.
    - notastartup 13y ago
      I really don't think North Koreans have any choice they can make on their own. They need outside countries to assist them, to save them from a family of lunatics who shit on the concept of human rights.
zorpner 13y ago
You... may want to read up on the history of the US's involvement in fomenting revolution, and how well it's worked out for us historically. Those who forget the lessons of history, &c...
- Houshalter 13y ago
  I can't imagine them ending up with a worse regime than the present one.
  - Crito 13y ago
    For better or worse, the current regime has a surprisingly good track record at not forcing the Korean War to go "hot" again. A hypothetical "worse regime" might become less interested in self-preservation than the current regime, and more interested in taking out as many people as they can before they fall. Right now the mass murder and slaughter seems to be largely a byproduct that they are not particularly concerned by, rather than their goal.
quantumpotato_ 13y ago
NK shelled SK recently. Just for shits and giggles.
- bagels 13y ago
  When is recently?
  - quantumpotato_ 13y ago
    Well, it was 3 years ago. Not that long ago in the scheme of nations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Yeonpyeong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Yeonpyeong
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yongjik 13y ago
Oh, great, American expansionism (let CIA fund "freedom fighters" against villains; what could possibly go wrong?) combined with the American mythology that dictators are somehow afraid of armed people. That "weak and starving" North Korean army would cut through a town-ful of untrained militia like knife going through butter. Really, stop fantasizing about armed revolution just because it once worked for your ancestor 200 years ago. It fails more often than not, and with near certainty when someone foreign nation has the bright idea of arming insurgents.
- notastartup 13y ago
  I think if you asked a North Korean today if they wanted "American expansionism" or their current state of affairs, the answer would be what any starving person would do, choose the lesser of two evils that feeds them. I hardly think North Koreans would have a problem with democracy and freedom that feeds them than their leader which have failed them and forced to praise them at gun point. It's funny because lot of left-leaning South Koreans have a naive view of their Northern cousins. News flash: North Korea is a time travel to Chosun Dynasty gone horribly wrong, nothing to do with communism. Some actually believe South Korea is under worse condition because of Uncle Sam that saved the country just as they were about to get overrun by Kim Il Sung, than under Japanese Imperial rule because of "democracy and freedom". I invite these people to defect to the North, and see why there's streams of North Koreans going the other way and staring at you like you are crazy. Vive la revolucion!
  - yongjik 13y ago
    Well, I concede that some South Koreans have a very naive view of North Korea, but it doesn't logically follow that the US saved South Korea from similar fate. In fact, historical economic data shows that South Korea was as shitty as North Korea in its early years[1]. Nor was its pro-American leader Rhee much better in terms of human rights: he murdered some 100k-200k of his own people[2] for being communists (many of them were anything but). So, what you propose offering to North Koreans is not in fact "democracy and freedom". With high chance, you're offering a civil war, followed by yet another dictator with horrible human right records, except that he would have close friends in Washington DC instead of Beijing, and the US will tolerate this dictator because at least he's fighting bad guys and giving a semblance of "stability" in the region. Honestly I don't think the US could make a better outcome even if it wanted to (which is another question). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Two_koreas_gdp_1950_1977.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Two_koreas_gdp_1950_1977.j... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre
richardjordan 13y ago
The North Korean stakeholders both inside and outside the regime understand how tailored it is to needing a member of the Kim family at the top. The destabilization is something they fear tremendously. There's a lot of inertia here and many structural problems to changing. There are groups though that do what you're suggesting with balloons. News does get into North Korea in small doses - but nothing like to the degree it used to get into the Eastern block. It's much more locked down.

Houshalter 13y ago

I don't think it's that simple, and a civil war will only result in more death and suffering, even if it is successful. The people are very brainwashed and terrified. The regime would certainly consider it an act of war and possibly retaliate against South Korea.

don_draper 13y ago
Better to die fighting for your freedom than live in that hell hole.
- yongjik 13y ago
  Probably, but that's North Koreans' choice to make. When you declare that other people live in a hellhole and start killing them for their freedom, there's a term for that: invasion.
  - notastartup 13y ago
    I really don't think North Koreans have any choice they can make on their own. They need outside countries to assist them, to save them from a family of lunatics who shit on the concept of human rights.

zorpner 13y ago

You... may want to read up on the history of the US's involvement in fomenting revolution, and how well it's worked out for us historically. Those who forget the lessons of history, &c...

Houshalter 13y ago
I can't imagine them ending up with a worse regime than the present one.
- Crito 13y ago
  For better or worse, the current regime has a surprisingly good track record at not forcing the Korean War to go "hot" again. A hypothetical "worse regime" might become less interested in self-preservation than the current regime, and more interested in taking out as many people as they can before they fall. Right now the mass murder and slaughter seems to be largely a byproduct that they are not particularly concerned by, rather than their goal.

quantumpotato_ 13y ago

NK shelled SK recently. Just for shits and giggles.

bagels 13y ago
When is recently?
- quantumpotato_ 13y ago
  Well, it was 3 years ago. Not that long ago in the scheme of nations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Yeonpyeong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Yeonpyeong
- deleted 13y ago
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yongjik 13y ago

Oh, great, American expansionism (let CIA fund "freedom fighters" against villains; what could possibly go wrong?) combined with the American mythology that dictators are somehow afraid of armed people. That "weak and starving" North Korean army would cut through a town-ful of untrained militia like knife going through butter. Really, stop fantasizing about armed revolution just because it once worked for your ancestor 200 years ago. It fails more often than not, and with near certainty when someone foreign nation has the bright idea of arming insurgents.

notastartup 13y ago
I think if you asked a North Korean today if they wanted "American expansionism" or their current state of affairs, the answer would be what any starving person would do, choose the lesser of two evils that feeds them. I hardly think North Koreans would have a problem with democracy and freedom that feeds them than their leader which have failed them and forced to praise them at gun point. It's funny because lot of left-leaning South Koreans have a naive view of their Northern cousins. News flash: North Korea is a time travel to Chosun Dynasty gone horribly wrong, nothing to do with communism. Some actually believe South Korea is under worse condition because of Uncle Sam that saved the country just as they were about to get overrun by Kim Il Sung, than under Japanese Imperial rule because of "democracy and freedom". I invite these people to defect to the North, and see why there's streams of North Koreans going the other way and staring at you like you are crazy. Vive la revolucion!
- yongjik 13y ago
  Well, I concede that some South Koreans have a very naive view of North Korea, but it doesn't logically follow that the US saved South Korea from similar fate. In fact, historical economic data shows that South Korea was as shitty as North Korea in its early years[1]. Nor was its pro-American leader Rhee much better in terms of human rights: he murdered some 100k-200k of his own people[2] for being communists (many of them were anything but). So, what you propose offering to North Koreans is not in fact "democracy and freedom". With high chance, you're offering a civil war, followed by yet another dictator with horrible human right records, except that he would have close friends in Washington DC instead of Beijing, and the US will tolerate this dictator because at least he's fighting bad guys and giving a semblance of "stability" in the region. Honestly I don't think the US could make a better outcome even if it wanted to (which is another question). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Two_koreas_gdp_1950_1977.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Two_koreas_gdp_1950_1977.j... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre

richardjordan 13y ago

The North Korean stakeholders both inside and outside the regime understand how tailored it is to needing a member of the Kim family at the top. The destabilization is something they fear tremendously. There's a lot of inertia here and many structural problems to changing. There are groups though that do what you're suggesting with balloons. News does get into North Korea in small doses - but nothing like to the degree it used to get into the Eastern block. It's much more locked down.