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New jailbreak available for iOS7 by the evad3rs

142 points by y0ast 13y ago

ashray 13y ago
Finally! I've been waiting for an iOS jailbreak to finally be able to use bitcoin related stuff on my iPhone and iPad. It's been a pain so far. This is the first time that the iOS walled garden approach REALLY started to bother me. The other was to do with emulation but that was filed under 'minor nit-pick'.
- smtddr 13y ago
  I need some help understanding this. So, at my job the way I install iOS apps onto phones that are not at the AppStore is that the developers give me the .ipa file and I do: ideviceinstaller -i /path/to/ipafile (You can get this prog by doing "brew install ideviceinstaller", takes awhile) Is there some reason the bitcoin devs can't upload the ipa somewhere and have everyone do that? EDIT: Ah yes, joshstrange & jreed91 are correct. the iOS devices I use are all registered to apple's dev portal and the apps are signed.
  - jreed91 13y ago
    I'm guessing it has to be signed to run on the device. But that's my uneducated guess.
  - ashray 13y ago
    Well, I don't know the dev perspective on this but most things do not readily have .ipas available. For example f.lux is an application I use all the time on my Mac. But I haven't been able to get it into my phone for a while. Couldn't find a .ipa. Maybe developers want to be able to charge for their apps at some point in the future through the Cydia store ? Just 'cause you can't get your app into the app store doesn't mean you shouldn't make money off it if people love it :) (just speculating, maybe that's not the reason..)
  - joshstrange 13y ago
    IIRC you have to have the phone in question registered as a developer phone to do that. There are sites that will add your phone to their dev account for ~$10 (vs the $100/yr dev program) but it's just a barrier to entry that's a little too high for the average person. Whereas 5 minutes with a one click jailbreak tool + Cydia can make the process much easier and you get app updates (it's been a while since I did iOS work and as I was leaving the scene things like test flight were making it even easier to distribute dev/test/beta copies of an app and even offer a way to update them so my last comment might be out of date).
  - cageface 13y ago
    In order for this to work you have to either register for Apple's enterprise distribution program or register your device with a developer account. But since each developer account is limited to 100 registered devices this doesn't really work as a distribution method. This is actually my only real dealbreaker issue with iOS. The freedom to install my own software on my own hardware without the permission of a third party seems like a pretty fundamental computing right to me.
  - biafra 13y ago
    Your phone is not only registered to the apple dev portal but also as one of 100 to the developers certificate. With an enterprise certificate distribution is technically possible and many do distibute their beta software this way. But I am sure Apple will revoke enterprise certificates if they are used to distribute apps en masse outside the App Store.
sami36 13y ago
here's hoping Activation lock can somehow survive this
IBM 13y ago
I can't think of a compelling reason to jailbreak my iPhone in 2013, and I suspect that's true for a lot more people than it was in the past.
- cfontes 13y ago
  I have several to do it. The one that pisses me off the most is not having "Lockinfo". Another one is to be able to share your internet with a PC without begging to your provider. And the list goes on. (facetime on 3G...)
  - IBM 13y ago
    Those things are already possible without jailbreaking.
    - trauco 13y ago
      The hotspot function is carrier-dependent.
    - kalleboo 13y ago
      Depending on what kind of relationship Apple have with your carrier, different features are disabled or not. For instance, LTE is disabled unless an operator has their network whitelisted by Apple.
    - DanBC 13y ago
      iPhone on O2 in UK can share connection with PC. iPhone on GiffGaff (who use O2 networks) in UK cannot share connection with PC. So, those things are already possible without jailbreaking if you're prepared to change carrier.
  - archagon 13y ago
    In regards to sharing, I believe your provider can detect this and charge you more.
    - kalleboo 13y ago
mitchell209 13y ago
Hopefully F.lux works still. That was the worst thing about using a new, unjailbroken iPhone and iPad. Especially now that iOS 7 has a lot of white UI.
- herf 13y ago
  Just built a new one and it's WORKING. Add http://justgetflux.com/cydia/ http://justgetflux.com/cydia/ to sources and report bugs to email please? We will post later today.
- ics 13y ago
  Jailbreaking now, we'll see. Flux is the one thing I want to work more than anything too.
  - mitchell209 13y ago
    I just installed it and it doesn't work properly. Here's to hoping it gets updated quickly. It may be an issue with MobileSubstrate, as Saurik just pointed out that the evasi0n team gave him no lead on the jailbreak.
    - ics 13y ago
      Everything's blue for you too? Removing F.lux didn't do anything so I thought it was Mobile Substrate, but removing that didn't do anything until I rebooted the device so I can't be sure. Other apps depending on Mobile Substrate work OK so far, so don't let it turn you off trying things out.
      - mitchell209 13y ago
        Ah, thanks for that. Guess it really was just f.lux's fault. Still, I'm definitely going to sit this one out with my iPhone for a couple weeks. Are you using an A7 device? I've heard those are the devices that are having the most trouble due to incompatibilities.
- graeme 13y ago
sevenminaya 13y ago
I have been waiting for this, thank you.
ytch 13y ago
If you visit it in Chinese locale, It shows evasi0n7 includes an app "Taichi Assistant" for install APP, tweak. A replacement for cydia?
- ytch 13y ago
  And here is the screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/1ladSRs.png http://i.imgur.com/1ladSRs.png So evad3rs encourages us to install pirate APP?
  - SquareWheel 13y ago
    They claim to not want piracy, but I can't imagine they didn't know. https://twitter.com/pod2g/status/414820772931067905 https://twitter.com/pod2g/status/414820772931067905
- 0x0 13y ago
  There's a bunch of twitter drama and rumours making the rounds claiming evaders got a $1m USD paycheck from this chinese pirated apps app store to bundle it for users on chinese locales, and that this exploit had to be released early because it was about to be leaked/stolen/sold out to some other entity right now...
Edvik 13y ago
I would imagine apps that work on undoing iOS7's visual changes are going to be popular. I personally would like one, at least for those icons.
- rimantas 13y ago
  I very much doubt this. iOS 7 adoption rate was the best so far, that probably means people don't mind the new look.
  - cageface 13y ago
    Even people that otherwise like the iOS 7 look will admit that a lot of the stock app icons look like shit. Safari and mail and settings in particular are a bad joke.
    - aneisf 13y ago
      I think they look fine. Best with a monochrome wallpaper (http://puu.sh/5V2ao/c2cc3d7273.png http://puu.sh/5V2ao/c2cc3d7273.png).
  - luchs 13y ago
    Or maybe people don't know about the look until after they've upgraded? The Software Update page on the device doesn't show any screenshots, it doesn't even say anything about the new look. Additionally, there are lots of apps which only work on iOS 7, so often enough you don't have a choice.
DLay 13y ago
From Jay Freeman's (saurik) twitter: So, I got no lead time on evasi0n7, nor was I asked for an official iOS 7 Cydia; I was not given builds, nor was I asked for things to test. In fact, @evad3rs didn't even try my testing build of Substrate I gave core developers, so they didn't notice a fundamental incompatibility. This means they are going to have to push a new version of their untether to fix this oversight before I can push newer builds of Substrate. As there was also never a tethered jailbreak for iOS 7 that had fully working kernel patches I haven't been able to test much at all myself. I thereby have no clue what will or will not work, or even what evasi0n7 includes; I hope that people bear with me as I figure this all out. (In particular, I will point out that the build of "Cydia" included is not official, and couldn't really include the fixes I'd been making.) (Also, it's 5 AM here; I'm quite tired and had been intending to go to sleep, so I don't have the brain power to react to this all quickly.)
- grugq 13y ago
  Well, the reason that the Cydia store doesn't work, and that Saurik wasn't included in the discussions, is starting to become clear. A Chinese company paid the evad3rs a rumored 1 million dollars for the jailbreak, forcing their own App Store onto the phone. If the computer running the jailbreak has Chinese as the main language, then the Chinese 太极 (taiji) market app is install. Cydia is available as an option, but it is deselected by default. https://twitter.com/i0n1c/status/414784367215382528 https://twitter.com/i0n1c/status/414784367215382528 https://twitter.com/i0n1c/status/414783332040179712 https://twitter.com/i0n1c/status/414783332040179712 Confirmation: https://twitter.com/Cre4t/status/414782483956133888 https://twitter.com/Cre4t/status/414782483956133888 The default apps that get installed for Chinese users: http://twitpic.com/dpl5k5 http://twitpic.com/dpl5k5 (via: https://twitter.com/a_titkov/status/414778967070359552 https://twitter.com/a_titkov/status/414778967070359552) The install screen for Chinese users: http://twitpic.com/dpl4vz http://twitpic.com/dpl4vz (via https://twitter.com/a_titkov/status/414777987989774336 https://twitter.com/a_titkov/status/414777987989774336) So, if you want to run a heavily obfuscated application that exploits your phone, disables application signing, and installs uid 0 processes running on your phone... sponsored by China, go ahead. (The jailbreak app is heavily protected so that competing Chinese companies can't replace the Taiji app store with their own. But who knows what else is in there?)
rafski 13y ago
Just in time for Apple to patch iOS 7.1 ahead of its release. What a waste (unless it's been already patched in 7.1 beta and this is the last chance for this to be used by someone).
- josu 13y ago
  "Apple has purportedly already fixed exploits used for iOS 7 jailbreak" http://www.ifans.com/blog/95118/ http://www.ifans.com/blog/95118/
  - LssThanThree 13y ago
    It looks like it's compatible with iOS 7.1 beta 2 though. http://imgur.com/HjyNM79 http://imgur.com/HjyNM79
    - cmelbye 13y ago
      I suppose that means 7.1 won't be released until they've fixed it. It's so unimaginably stupid that they didn't wait until 7.1 was released so that the general public could get the bug fixes and performance improvements in that release and a jailbreak as well.
      - lawnchair_larry 13y ago
        Backstabbing and greed.
fla 13y ago
Has anyone found some linux binaries ?
sunfly 13y ago
I do not get why anyone would want to jailbreak an iPhone. If you do not like the walled garden, why not switch to another platform?
- ihuman 13y ago
  Because we want both openness and the iPhone, and are unwilling to compromise.
  - saym 13y ago
    what does the iPhone offer that makes it compelling to not get a different device?
    - boyaka 13y ago
      The hardware is just better. The software that Apple has designed works really well, and makes the hardware shine way better than any other device. I've used Droid 1 2009-2011, Galaxy Nexus 2011-2013. The hardware/software synergy is just much better on the iPhone.
    - taspeotis 13y ago
      It's a high end phone that isn't 26" diagonally so it fits in my hand and I can type with one thumb. And Apple's after sales support is excellent. iPhone doesn't work properly? Factory reset. Still doesn't work? They'll swap the iPhone, in-store.
gdaniele 13y ago
Has anyone verified that this jailbreak is safe? Is the project source available?
pearjuice 13y ago
Geohot was planning to sell a (stolen) exploit he found but the evad3rs beat him to it. He would sell it to a mediator for ChinaCom (government owned). Apparently there is a lot of drama involved. https://twitter.com/tomcr00se/status/414826291309731840 https://twitter.com/tomcr00se/status/414826291309731840 https://twitter.com/tomcr00se/status/414827165960519681 https://twitter.com/tomcr00se/status/414827165960519681 https://twitter.com/superMTW/status/414821856534081536 https://twitter.com/superMTW/status/414821856534081536 http://www22.zippyshare.com/v/71374879/file.html http://www22.zippyshare.com/v/71374879/file.html (mp3 of Geohot talking to potential buyer))
jdbiggs 13y ago
Can anyone with a line in on how much jail breakers make for these contact me? john@techcrunch dotter commer. Thanks.
- lawnchair_larry 13y ago
  $1M split among the team.
MizChellie 13y ago
And the chinese app store people that they sold out to supposedly mysteriously appears if you change your language to Chinese. Sure you can remove but it just doesn't seem right, especially after it was found they were selling pirated apps. I read their letter and understand that ppl need to make a living but it just seems wrong. Very wrong! I used to jb because I needed the unlock. Then when I saw all the amazing functionality that could be had, I was a big fan. Since unlocking is no longer relevant, I wish to JB simply for all of the quality Cydia tweaks. Without a properly functioning version and with some mysterious chinese crap installed, I am not interested.

142 points by y0ast 13y ago

Finally! I've been waiting for an iOS jailbreak to finally be able to use bitcoin related stuff on my iPhone and iPad. It's been a pain so far. This is the first time that the iOS walled garden approach REALLY started to bother me. The other was to do with emulation but that was filed under 'minor nit-pick'.

smtddr 13y ago
I need some help understanding this. So, at my job the way I install iOS apps onto phones that are not at the AppStore is that the developers give me the .ipa file and I do: ideviceinstaller -i /path/to/ipafile (You can get this prog by doing "brew install ideviceinstaller", takes awhile) Is there some reason the bitcoin devs can't upload the ipa somewhere and have everyone do that? EDIT: Ah yes, joshstrange & jreed91 are correct. the iOS devices I use are all registered to apple's dev portal and the apps are signed.
- jreed91 13y ago
  I'm guessing it has to be signed to run on the device. But that's my uneducated guess.
- ashray 13y ago
  Well, I don't know the dev perspective on this but most things do not readily have .ipas available. For example f.lux is an application I use all the time on my Mac. But I haven't been able to get it into my phone for a while. Couldn't find a .ipa. Maybe developers want to be able to charge for their apps at some point in the future through the Cydia store ? Just 'cause you can't get your app into the app store doesn't mean you shouldn't make money off it if people love it :) (just speculating, maybe that's not the reason..)
- joshstrange 13y ago
  IIRC you have to have the phone in question registered as a developer phone to do that. There are sites that will add your phone to their dev account for ~$10 (vs the $100/yr dev program) but it's just a barrier to entry that's a little too high for the average person. Whereas 5 minutes with a one click jailbreak tool + Cydia can make the process much easier and you get app updates (it's been a while since I did iOS work and as I was leaving the scene things like test flight were making it even easier to distribute dev/test/beta copies of an app and even offer a way to update them so my last comment might be out of date).
- cageface 13y ago
  In order for this to work you have to either register for Apple's enterprise distribution program or register your device with a developer account. But since each developer account is limited to 100 registered devices this doesn't really work as a distribution method. This is actually my only real dealbreaker issue with iOS. The freedom to install my own software on my own hardware without the permission of a third party seems like a pretty fundamental computing right to me.
- biafra 13y ago
  Your phone is not only registered to the apple dev portal but also as one of 100 to the developers certificate. With an enterprise certificate distribution is technically possible and many do distibute their beta software this way. But I am sure Apple will revoke enterprise certificates if they are used to distribute apps en masse outside the App Store.

sami36 13y ago

here's hoping Activation lock can somehow survive this

IBM 13y ago

I can't think of a compelling reason to jailbreak my iPhone in 2013, and I suspect that's true for a lot more people than it was in the past.

cfontes 13y ago
I have several to do it. The one that pisses me off the most is not having "Lockinfo". Another one is to be able to share your internet with a PC without begging to your provider. And the list goes on. (facetime on 3G...)
- IBM 13y ago
  Those things are already possible without jailbreaking.
  - trauco 13y ago
    The hotspot function is carrier-dependent.
  - kalleboo 13y ago
    Depending on what kind of relationship Apple have with your carrier, different features are disabled or not. For instance, LTE is disabled unless an operator has their network whitelisted by Apple.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    iPhone on O2 in UK can share connection with PC. iPhone on GiffGaff (who use O2 networks) in UK cannot share connection with PC. So, those things are already possible without jailbreaking if you're prepared to change carrier.
- archagon 13y ago
  In regards to sharing, I believe your provider can detect this and charge you more.
  - kalleboo 13y ago

mitchell209 13y ago

Hopefully F.lux works still. That was the worst thing about using a new, unjailbroken iPhone and iPad. Especially now that iOS 7 has a lot of white UI.

herf 13y ago
Just built a new one and it's WORKING. Add http://justgetflux.com/cydia/ http://justgetflux.com/cydia/ to sources and report bugs to email please? We will post later today.
ics 13y ago
Jailbreaking now, we'll see. Flux is the one thing I want to work more than anything too.
- mitchell209 13y ago
  I just installed it and it doesn't work properly. Here's to hoping it gets updated quickly. It may be an issue with MobileSubstrate, as Saurik just pointed out that the evasi0n team gave him no lead on the jailbreak.
  - ics 13y ago
    Everything's blue for you too? Removing F.lux didn't do anything so I thought it was Mobile Substrate, but removing that didn't do anything until I rebooted the device so I can't be sure. Other apps depending on Mobile Substrate work OK so far, so don't let it turn you off trying things out.
    - mitchell209 13y ago
      Ah, thanks for that. Guess it really was just f.lux's fault. Still, I'm definitely going to sit this one out with my iPhone for a couple weeks. Are you using an A7 device? I've heard those are the devices that are having the most trouble due to incompatibilities.
graeme 13y ago

sevenminaya 13y ago

I have been waiting for this, thank you.

ytch 13y ago

If you visit it in Chinese locale, It shows evasi0n7 includes an app "Taichi Assistant" for install APP, tweak. A replacement for cydia?

ytch 13y ago
And here is the screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/1ladSRs.png http://i.imgur.com/1ladSRs.png So evad3rs encourages us to install pirate APP?
- SquareWheel 13y ago
  They claim to not want piracy, but I can't imagine they didn't know. https://twitter.com/pod2g/status/414820772931067905 https://twitter.com/pod2g/status/414820772931067905
0x0 13y ago
There's a bunch of twitter drama and rumours making the rounds claiming evaders got a $1m USD paycheck from this chinese pirated apps app store to bundle it for users on chinese locales, and that this exploit had to be released early because it was about to be leaked/stolen/sold out to some other entity right now...

Edvik 13y ago

I would imagine apps that work on undoing iOS7's visual changes are going to be popular. I personally would like one, at least for those icons.

rimantas 13y ago
I very much doubt this. iOS 7 adoption rate was the best so far, that probably means people don't mind the new look.
- cageface 13y ago
  Even people that otherwise like the iOS 7 look will admit that a lot of the stock app icons look like shit. Safari and mail and settings in particular are a bad joke.
  - aneisf 13y ago
    I think they look fine. Best with a monochrome wallpaper (http://puu.sh/5V2ao/c2cc3d7273.png http://puu.sh/5V2ao/c2cc3d7273.png).
- luchs 13y ago
  Or maybe people don't know about the look until after they've upgraded? The Software Update page on the device doesn't show any screenshots, it doesn't even say anything about the new look. Additionally, there are lots of apps which only work on iOS 7, so often enough you don't have a choice.

DLay 13y ago

From Jay Freeman's (saurik) twitter: So, I got no lead time on evasi0n7, nor was I asked for an official iOS 7 Cydia; I was not given builds, nor was I asked for things to test. In fact, @evad3rs didn't even try my testing build of Substrate I gave core developers, so they didn't notice a fundamental incompatibility. This means they are going to have to push a new version of their untether to fix this oversight before I can push newer builds of Substrate. As there was also never a tethered jailbreak for iOS 7 that had fully working kernel patches I haven't been able to test much at all myself. I thereby have no clue what will or will not work, or even what evasi0n7 includes; I hope that people bear with me as I figure this all out. (In particular, I will point out that the build of "Cydia" included is not official, and couldn't really include the fixes I'd been making.) (Also, it's 5 AM here; I'm quite tired and had been intending to go to sleep, so I don't have the brain power to react to this all quickly.)

grugq 13y ago
Well, the reason that the Cydia store doesn't work, and that Saurik wasn't included in the discussions, is starting to become clear. A Chinese company paid the evad3rs a rumored 1 million dollars for the jailbreak, forcing their own App Store onto the phone. If the computer running the jailbreak has Chinese as the main language, then the Chinese 太极 (taiji) market app is install. Cydia is available as an option, but it is deselected by default. https://twitter.com/i0n1c/status/414784367215382528 https://twitter.com/i0n1c/status/414784367215382528 https://twitter.com/i0n1c/status/414783332040179712 https://twitter.com/i0n1c/status/414783332040179712 Confirmation: https://twitter.com/Cre4t/status/414782483956133888 https://twitter.com/Cre4t/status/414782483956133888 The default apps that get installed for Chinese users: http://twitpic.com/dpl5k5 http://twitpic.com/dpl5k5 (via: https://twitter.com/a_titkov/status/414778967070359552 https://twitter.com/a_titkov/status/414778967070359552) The install screen for Chinese users: http://twitpic.com/dpl4vz http://twitpic.com/dpl4vz (via https://twitter.com/a_titkov/status/414777987989774336 https://twitter.com/a_titkov/status/414777987989774336) So, if you want to run a heavily obfuscated application that exploits your phone, disables application signing, and installs uid 0 processes running on your phone... sponsored by China, go ahead. (The jailbreak app is heavily protected so that competing Chinese companies can't replace the Taiji app store with their own. But who knows what else is in there?)

rafski 13y ago

Just in time for Apple to patch iOS 7.1 ahead of its release. What a waste (unless it's been already patched in 7.1 beta and this is the last chance for this to be used by someone).

josu 13y ago
"Apple has purportedly already fixed exploits used for iOS 7 jailbreak" http://www.ifans.com/blog/95118/ http://www.ifans.com/blog/95118/
- LssThanThree 13y ago
  It looks like it's compatible with iOS 7.1 beta 2 though. http://imgur.com/HjyNM79 http://imgur.com/HjyNM79
  - cmelbye 13y ago
    I suppose that means 7.1 won't be released until they've fixed it. It's so unimaginably stupid that they didn't wait until 7.1 was released so that the general public could get the bug fixes and performance improvements in that release and a jailbreak as well.
    - lawnchair_larry 13y ago
      Backstabbing and greed.

fla 13y ago

Has anyone found some linux binaries ?

sunfly 13y ago

I do not get why anyone would want to jailbreak an iPhone. If you do not like the walled garden, why not switch to another platform?

ihuman 13y ago
Because we want both openness and the iPhone, and are unwilling to compromise.
- saym 13y ago
  what does the iPhone offer that makes it compelling to not get a different device?
  - boyaka 13y ago
    The hardware is just better. The software that Apple has designed works really well, and makes the hardware shine way better than any other device. I've used Droid 1 2009-2011, Galaxy Nexus 2011-2013. The hardware/software synergy is just much better on the iPhone.
  - taspeotis 13y ago
    It's a high end phone that isn't 26" diagonally so it fits in my hand and I can type with one thumb. And Apple's after sales support is excellent. iPhone doesn't work properly? Factory reset. Still doesn't work? They'll swap the iPhone, in-store.

gdaniele 13y ago

Has anyone verified that this jailbreak is safe? Is the project source available?

pearjuice 13y ago

Geohot was planning to sell a (stolen) exploit he found but the evad3rs beat him to it. He would sell it to a mediator for ChinaCom (government owned). Apparently there is a lot of drama involved. https://twitter.com/tomcr00se/status/414826291309731840 https://twitter.com/tomcr00se/status/414826291309731840 https://twitter.com/tomcr00se/status/414827165960519681 https://twitter.com/tomcr00se/status/414827165960519681 https://twitter.com/superMTW/status/414821856534081536 https://twitter.com/superMTW/status/414821856534081536 http://www22.zippyshare.com/v/71374879/file.html http://www22.zippyshare.com/v/71374879/file.html (mp3 of Geohot talking to potential buyer))

jdbiggs 13y ago

Can anyone with a line in on how much jail breakers make for these contact me? john@techcrunch dotter commer. Thanks.

lawnchair_larry 13y ago
$1M split among the team.

MizChellie 13y ago

And the chinese app store people that they sold out to supposedly mysteriously appears if you change your language to Chinese. Sure you can remove but it just doesn't seem right, especially after it was found they were selling pirated apps. I read their letter and understand that ppl need to make a living but it just seems wrong. Very wrong! I used to jb because I needed the unlock. Then when I saw all the amazing functionality that could be had, I was a big fan. Since unlocking is no longer relevant, I wish to JB simply for all of the quality Cydia tweaks. Without a properly functioning version and with some mysterious chinese crap installed, I am not interested.