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Your reaction to this story was wondering if it can be used to demonstrate another member of HN being wrong in the past? Petty

selmnoo 13y ago
Not just 'another member of HN', the most high-rated, the most prolific member of HN who is very often found shaping the direction of discussions here and is now a considerable voice in the security community. He's also someone that new tech startup founders listen to when deciding what to use and what not to use.
- mcphilip 13y ago
  I know who tptacek is, I've read some of his papers, I've applied to the crypto challenges, I've disagreed with him in the past about the importance of BSAFE to the industry. It still comes across as petty to launch into a meta discussion of who's right and who's wrong on HN when there's much more interesting topics to consider based on this article's revelations.
SamReidHughes 13y ago
When 'tptacek is wrong, he's obnoxiously wrong, especially in his inability to believe in government misbehavior, and his willingness to denigrate "message board nerds" on that sort of matter. (See also his attacks on Greenwald when the Snowden story started.) So personally I was looking forward to seeing somebody comment about him.
- icelancer 13y ago
  Pretty much. Not only that, but he's incredibly influential, so to see him get knocked down a peg does a lot of good.
  - lawnchair_larry 13y ago
    This is a bit much and was not at all the motivation behind my comment.
    - pessimizer 13y ago
      This is what happens when you make it personal, though. I try to let being right be its own reward, not a license to tell people how wrong they were.
      - sheetjs 13y ago
        tptacek has the most karma on HN (even moreso than pg): https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders (for reference, pg has 149712 karma at the time of writing; tptacek has 165020 and the next person has 88887) His opinion is respected by many (and many accept what he says without question). A retraction by tptacek reminds us all to think critically lawnchair_larry's comment is equivalent to questioning the president or a major celebrity, which oftentimes isn't a personal grudge.
        winfred 13y ago
        What I do is just not read the usernames (beyond roughly scanning the word to figure out who replied to who). No really, I mean that, I don't even know your username. That makes for a wonderful experience really. I interact with this nameless entity and each post is largely valued by its responses (I often leave an article open for a few hours to let the comments ripen a bit, that also adds a lot).
        nitrogen 13y ago
        I think HN might be designed to encourage this, judging from the lighter color given to the post metadata line.
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- atmosx 13y ago
  Yeah, I get that a lot too. Also his attitude towards open source cryptography related projects is strange and totally unjustified imho.
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  - SamReidHughes 13y ago
    He's had a perfectly friendly attitude towards GPG, and in the case of others you can see ample evidence that his skepticism is justified. Maybe if the open source cryptography projects you're referring to weren't bad projects then the attitude would be strange.
  - lawnchair_larry 13y ago
    cryptocat sucks, plain and simple.
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- ANH 13y ago
  > When 'tptacek is wrong, he's obnoxiously wrong, especially in his inability to believe in government misbehavior For the record, this is incorrect. In past interactions he has stated his concerns over certain of NSA's "misbehavior".

selmnoo 13y ago

Not just 'another member of HN', the most high-rated, the most prolific member of HN who is very often found shaping the direction of discussions here and is now a considerable voice in the security community. He's also someone that new tech startup founders listen to when deciding what to use and what not to use.

mcphilip 13y ago
I know who tptacek is, I've read some of his papers, I've applied to the crypto challenges, I've disagreed with him in the past about the importance of BSAFE to the industry. It still comes across as petty to launch into a meta discussion of who's right and who's wrong on HN when there's much more interesting topics to consider based on this article's revelations.

SamReidHughes 13y ago

When 'tptacek is wrong, he's obnoxiously wrong, especially in his inability to believe in government misbehavior, and his willingness to denigrate "message board nerds" on that sort of matter. (See also his attacks on Greenwald when the Snowden story started.) So personally I was looking forward to seeing somebody comment about him.

icelancer 13y ago
Pretty much. Not only that, but he's incredibly influential, so to see him get knocked down a peg does a lot of good.
- lawnchair_larry 13y ago
  This is a bit much and was not at all the motivation behind my comment.
  - pessimizer 13y ago
    This is what happens when you make it personal, though. I try to let being right be its own reward, not a license to tell people how wrong they were.
    - sheetjs 13y ago
      tptacek has the most karma on HN (even moreso than pg): https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders (for reference, pg has 149712 karma at the time of writing; tptacek has 165020 and the next person has 88887) His opinion is respected by many (and many accept what he says without question). A retraction by tptacek reminds us all to think critically lawnchair_larry's comment is equivalent to questioning the president or a major celebrity, which oftentimes isn't a personal grudge.
      - winfred 13y ago
        What I do is just not read the usernames (beyond roughly scanning the word to figure out who replied to who). No really, I mean that, I don't even know your username. That makes for a wonderful experience really. I interact with this nameless entity and each post is largely valued by its responses (I often leave an article open for a few hours to let the comments ripen a bit, that also adds a lot).
        nitrogen 13y ago
        I think HN might be designed to encourage this, judging from the lighter color given to the post metadata line.
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atmosx 13y ago
Yeah, I get that a lot too. Also his attitude towards open source cryptography related projects is strange and totally unjustified imho.
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- SamReidHughes 13y ago
  He's had a perfectly friendly attitude towards GPG, and in the case of others you can see ample evidence that his skepticism is justified. Maybe if the open source cryptography projects you're referring to weren't bad projects then the attitude would be strange.
- lawnchair_larry 13y ago
  cryptocat sucks, plain and simple.
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ANH 13y ago
> When 'tptacek is wrong, he's obnoxiously wrong, especially in his inability to believe in government misbehavior For the record, this is incorrect. In past interactions he has stated his concerns over certain of NSA's "misbehavior".