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I doubt it. Or I'm going to have some trouble. I reckon a large proportion of people will opt out and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to remove the opt out

I doubt it. Or I'm going to have some trouble. I reckon a large proportion of people will opt out and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to remove the opt out option in the future.

TheAnimus 13y ago
> I reckon a large proportion of people will opt out HAH! I had a friend one day in tears because her bf had some porn on his laptop. She was shocked, outraged etc. She owned a dildo. Some people have horrific double standards, unless people make a stand against censorship (unlikely) or their desire for porn (even less likely). This is only going to get worse.
- gaius 13y ago
  I was both bemused and disturbed when it seems the entire female population went nuts for 50 Shades Of Grey recently. On my commute on the train on the way to work, you would see them twirling their hair, chewing their lower lips, writhing in their seats, sometimes even (subconsciously I'm sure) rubbing themselves. Can you imagine what would happen tho' if a bloke was reading a porn mag or watching a movie on his laptop? There is a huge double standard in play here.
  - rmc 13y ago
    Can you imagine what would happen tho' if a bloke was reading a porn mag That does happen. The likes of "Nuts" or "Zoo". Most of those lads mags are as pornographic. The double stardard is that if a straight woman has lots of sex, she's a slut who should be ashamed; yet if a straight man has lots of sex, he's a stud and should be congratulated.
    - gaius 13y ago
      I have not read either of them but I suspect we may have different definitions of pornographic. Are we talking photos of actual sexual activity here, or just girls in their underwear? Do you consider Page 3 to be porn?
      - pbhjpbhj 13y ago
        Pornography is defined by intention of the producer or by the action of the viewer/consumer. Page 3 is porn because it's designed to be sexually titillating. A picture which was taken showing someone's feet, say, may have been taken without any desire to be sexual but nonetheless can be used as pornography. Nuts and Zoo and what have you have photos which are intended to be sexually enticing, ergo they're [soft] porn. Generally the demos can control [via the government, to an extent] the production of works intended to be pornographic but not the private use of pornography.
- dagw 13y ago
  In what world is that a double standard??? Enjoying masturbation and sex toys while disapproving of pornography seems like a healthy and reasonable stance to take.
  - highace 13y ago
    She probably didn't like that he was getting it on without her.
  - RyanZAG 13y ago
    I initially assumed your comment was a joke of some kind - but I think you might actually be serious? Could you explain how it's reasonable?
    - 4ndr3vv 13y ago
      Comeon, seriously? Do we need to talk about exploitation in the porn industry all over again?
    - dagw 13y ago
      Pornography is not created in a vacuum. There is a large industry surrounding it and, at least according to some, some of the practices of parts that industry is troublesome. There are also reasons to believe that watching porn might in some scenarios affect the viewer in negative ways that abstract sexual fantasy does not. Reasonable people can of course disagree to the scope and accuracy of the above objections, but I'd consider neither fundamentally unreasonable. Masturbation on the other hand is almost universally considered a normal and healthy part of adult sexuality. Basically just because someone might find porn degrading to women or morally objectionable, doesn't mean they in any way oppose sex and their own sexuality.
      - RyanZAG 13y ago
        Dildos are not created in a vacuum and has a large industry surrounding it - and a lot of the practices involved in that are troublesome too. Sweatshops? I'm sure there is pornography created by people who want to make it. I'm less sure there are dildos created by anyone who wants to be making dildos (the actual workers, not the boss). I'm sure some people would find a wife using a dildo as degrading to the husband and morally objectionable. Probably most of the middle east. That certainly doesn't give me the right to call it bad, though.
cs02rm0 13y ago
Maybe not the sex offenders list, but there will be a list and it will likely be leaked in all or part.
- hahainternet 13y ago
  'Maybe'? The fact you don't know it's VSOR and not 'the sex offenders list' indicates you probably don't have a clue what you're talking about.
alan_cx 13y ago
I would go with that if it were opt in. But deliberately, its not. Have to ask why, and what that implies. The whole point is to humiliate people who want access to porn. It has nothing what so ever to do with protecting children. The UK gov is enforcing a morality on the UK people which frankly its rarely applies to its self. Also, BT are going to or are blocking proxy and proxy info sites. Why would any one want to opt in to that? Clearly this the beginnings of mass censorship, which I see no logical end to. All this coming from the party which claims to be about personal choice and responsibility.
- nly 13y ago
  Exactly. In an opt-in system, enabled means "they displayed a preference against incidental access to porn" and disabled means "they've never bothered to change it". In an opt-out system enabled means "they've never bothered to change it" and disabled means "this guy irresponsibly exposes his kids to sleaze, and spends his free time downloading demeaning hardcore pornography". We all know that, at some point, the status of some poor schmucks ISP filter is going to be used as supporting evidence of their lifestyle against him or her in court.
  - hahainternet 13y ago
    The slippery slopes being written out in this thread are beyond comedy into absolute absurdity.
- pbhjpbhj 13y ago
  >Why would any one want to opt in to that? // Come on, seriously are you saying you can't imagine why? If you don't block proxies then you may as well not block anything. Regardless of whether you think not blocking anything is the better way - surely you can see why people would want to block porn on their internet connections?

I doubt it. Or I'm going to have some trouble. I reckon a large proportion of people will opt out and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to remove the opt out option in the future.

TheAnimus 13y ago

> I reckon a large proportion of people will opt out HAH! I had a friend one day in tears because her bf had some porn on his laptop. She was shocked, outraged etc. She owned a dildo. Some people have horrific double standards, unless people make a stand against censorship (unlikely) or their desire for porn (even less likely). This is only going to get worse.

gaius 13y ago
I was both bemused and disturbed when it seems the entire female population went nuts for 50 Shades Of Grey recently. On my commute on the train on the way to work, you would see them twirling their hair, chewing their lower lips, writhing in their seats, sometimes even (subconsciously I'm sure) rubbing themselves. Can you imagine what would happen tho' if a bloke was reading a porn mag or watching a movie on his laptop? There is a huge double standard in play here.
- rmc 13y ago
  Can you imagine what would happen tho' if a bloke was reading a porn mag That does happen. The likes of "Nuts" or "Zoo". Most of those lads mags are as pornographic. The double stardard is that if a straight woman has lots of sex, she's a slut who should be ashamed; yet if a straight man has lots of sex, he's a stud and should be congratulated.
  - gaius 13y ago
    I have not read either of them but I suspect we may have different definitions of pornographic. Are we talking photos of actual sexual activity here, or just girls in their underwear? Do you consider Page 3 to be porn?
    - pbhjpbhj 13y ago
      Pornography is defined by intention of the producer or by the action of the viewer/consumer. Page 3 is porn because it's designed to be sexually titillating. A picture which was taken showing someone's feet, say, may have been taken without any desire to be sexual but nonetheless can be used as pornography. Nuts and Zoo and what have you have photos which are intended to be sexually enticing, ergo they're [soft] porn. Generally the demos can control [via the government, to an extent] the production of works intended to be pornographic but not the private use of pornography.
dagw 13y ago
In what world is that a double standard??? Enjoying masturbation and sex toys while disapproving of pornography seems like a healthy and reasonable stance to take.
- highace 13y ago
  She probably didn't like that he was getting it on without her.
- RyanZAG 13y ago
  I initially assumed your comment was a joke of some kind - but I think you might actually be serious? Could you explain how it's reasonable?
  - 4ndr3vv 13y ago
    Comeon, seriously? Do we need to talk about exploitation in the porn industry all over again?
  - dagw 13y ago
    Pornography is not created in a vacuum. There is a large industry surrounding it and, at least according to some, some of the practices of parts that industry is troublesome. There are also reasons to believe that watching porn might in some scenarios affect the viewer in negative ways that abstract sexual fantasy does not. Reasonable people can of course disagree to the scope and accuracy of the above objections, but I'd consider neither fundamentally unreasonable. Masturbation on the other hand is almost universally considered a normal and healthy part of adult sexuality. Basically just because someone might find porn degrading to women or morally objectionable, doesn't mean they in any way oppose sex and their own sexuality.
    - RyanZAG 13y ago
      Dildos are not created in a vacuum and has a large industry surrounding it - and a lot of the practices involved in that are troublesome too. Sweatshops? I'm sure there is pornography created by people who want to make it. I'm less sure there are dildos created by anyone who wants to be making dildos (the actual workers, not the boss). I'm sure some people would find a wife using a dildo as degrading to the husband and morally objectionable. Probably most of the middle east. That certainly doesn't give me the right to call it bad, though.

cs02rm0 13y ago

Maybe not the sex offenders list, but there will be a list and it will likely be leaked in all or part.

hahainternet 13y ago
'Maybe'? The fact you don't know it's VSOR and not 'the sex offenders list' indicates you probably don't have a clue what you're talking about.

alan_cx 13y ago

I would go with that if it were opt in. But deliberately, its not. Have to ask why, and what that implies. The whole point is to humiliate people who want access to porn. It has nothing what so ever to do with protecting children. The UK gov is enforcing a morality on the UK people which frankly its rarely applies to its self. Also, BT are going to or are blocking proxy and proxy info sites. Why would any one want to opt in to that? Clearly this the beginnings of mass censorship, which I see no logical end to. All this coming from the party which claims to be about personal choice and responsibility.

nly 13y ago
Exactly. In an opt-in system, enabled means "they displayed a preference against incidental access to porn" and disabled means "they've never bothered to change it". In an opt-out system enabled means "they've never bothered to change it" and disabled means "this guy irresponsibly exposes his kids to sleaze, and spends his free time downloading demeaning hardcore pornography". We all know that, at some point, the status of some poor schmucks ISP filter is going to be used as supporting evidence of their lifestyle against him or her in court.
- hahainternet 13y ago
  The slippery slopes being written out in this thread are beyond comedy into absolute absurdity.
pbhjpbhj 13y ago
>Why would any one want to opt in to that? // Come on, seriously are you saying you can't imagine why? If you don't block proxies then you may as well not block anything. Regardless of whether you think not blocking anything is the better way - surely you can see why people would want to block porn on their internet connections?