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C+= now hosted on Gcode after GitHub and BitBucket shut it down

23 points by lawl 13y ago

nmc 13y ago
Wao, never heard of such an initiative! If anyone can enlighten me: to what extent is this a joke?
- Dewie 13y ago
  Probably to the full extent.
- taspeotis 13y ago
  > to what extent is this a joke? Judging from my sense of humour, all of it.
taspeotis 13y ago
Although it's shit like this that makes programming a "boys club", I had to chuckle at one of the macro definitions [1]: #define envelops(X,Y) ((X)%(Y)==0) //replace the cock and balls operator (%) [1] https://code.google.com/p/c-plus-equality/source/browse/src/fixCPP.Xe https://code.google.com/p/c-plus-equality/source/browse/src/...
- nisdec 13y ago
  Out of their Hello Worl.. EH Hello Feminists example: xe womain() //the alphabet "m" should be banned because it reminds me of the word "man" (Source: https://code.google.com/p/c-plus-equality/source/browse/examples/hellofeminists.Xe https://code.google.com/p/c-plus-equality/source/browse/exam... )
mdisraeli 13y ago
I'm not sure what's worse - how well researched this pisstake is, or the fact that they now own feministsoftwarefoundation.org. I trust that if a real such organisation is formed, this domain will be relinquished?
LekkoscPiwa 13y ago
I'm not sure what's worse. The satire or that some "Serious Feminist" think it is a "real thing": http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/19/feminist_software_foundation_c_plus_equality/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/19/feminist_software_fo...
cupcake-unicorn 13y ago
I've just flagged this..this page is being spread around on a lot of these very hateful "Men's Rights" websites, and it's not just about mocking feminism as an ideology (which I can even relate to - the link http://www.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/feminism-and-programming-languages http://www.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/femin... is pretty face palm worthy), but several of the comments/humour is implying that the female code author is some "math is sooo hard" barbie type character. I read Hacker News to escape this kind of thing. While some may enjoy it, I don't think it's appropriate for HN or Gcode/Github/Bitbucket for that matter, which is most likely why the latter sites shut it down.
Morgawr 13y ago
Honestly, while people have all the rights to not like something, I don't see the point in "censoring" satires or juvenile projects. It gives me a bad vibe, what's next? Gonna shut down anti-X projects? (Where X stands for whatever the majority doesn't agree with) In my opinion, if you don't like it, just ignore it. Ps: I realise github and bitbucket have full rights to do this since it's on their platforms Pps: I hope I won't get downvoted to hell for stating my opinion
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theorique 13y ago
The BitBucket complaint thread justified the censorship as follows: After further consideration, we have decided to remove this repository. While our End User Agreement explicitly prohibits the posting of content that is "racially or ethnically offensive," we believe it is consistent with the spirit of our agreement to also prohibit content that is offensive toward a specific gender. We will update our End User Agreement to make this prohibition more explicit. It's disturbing that both GitHub and BitBucket are content policing to this extent. Probably these incidents are just to avoid social/political drama, over a "joke" project. But what happens when it involves something more serious? if (e.g.) a crypto project is shut down because it facilitates dissident politics, or an indie video game is shut down because it has politically incorrect content. Bottom line is that you need to host your own code. These companies don't care about your goals or purpose - they just bow to the loudest voices to avoid controversy and complaints.
- tommorris 13y ago
  Then you pay for your own hosting on your own server. Bitbucket and Github don't owe you the right to host shit they don't want on their servers.
  - theorique 13y ago
    I agree with you there. It just seems as though policy is being improvised on the spot based on who gets loudest and most hysterical, rather than policy being based on logic, reason, and principles that can be cited. And maybe that's OK - Bitbucket and Github are businesses, and it's not necessarily their interest to host material that attracts unwanted public attention. But it's unfortunate to know that for all the rhetoric about openness and free expression in internet culture, the reality is that a distributed witch hunt can get something shut down hard, with minimal warning.
    - tommorris 13y ago
      At a certain point, the rules become a subjective judgment call on the question of "is this person being a trollish dick?"
tommorris 13y ago
The major problem I have with this is that the repository contained fake commits specifically to name people like Valerie Aurora from Ada Initiative. Faking commits of people you disagree with as a way to troll them is something that Bitbucket should rightly remove regardless of the content.

23 points by lawl 13y ago

nmc 13y ago

Wao, never heard of such an initiative! If anyone can enlighten me: to what extent is this a joke?

Dewie 13y ago
Probably to the full extent.
taspeotis 13y ago
> to what extent is this a joke? Judging from my sense of humour, all of it.

taspeotis 13y ago

Although it's shit like this that makes programming a "boys club", I had to chuckle at one of the macro definitions [1]: #define envelops(X,Y) ((X)%(Y)==0) //replace the cock and balls operator (%) [1] https://code.google.com/p/c-plus-equality/source/browse/src/fixCPP.Xe https://code.google.com/p/c-plus-equality/source/browse/src/...

nisdec 13y ago
Out of their Hello Worl.. EH Hello Feminists example: xe womain() //the alphabet "m" should be banned because it reminds me of the word "man" (Source: https://code.google.com/p/c-plus-equality/source/browse/examples/hellofeminists.Xe https://code.google.com/p/c-plus-equality/source/browse/exam... )

mdisraeli 13y ago

I'm not sure what's worse - how well researched this pisstake is, or the fact that they now own feministsoftwarefoundation.org. I trust that if a real such organisation is formed, this domain will be relinquished?

LekkoscPiwa 13y ago

I'm not sure what's worse. The satire or that some "Serious Feminist" think it is a "real thing": http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/19/feminist_software_foundation_c_plus_equality/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/19/feminist_software_fo...

cupcake-unicorn 13y ago

I've just flagged this..this page is being spread around on a lot of these very hateful "Men's Rights" websites, and it's not just about mocking feminism as an ideology (which I can even relate to - the link http://www.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/feminism-and-programming-languages http://www.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/femin... is pretty face palm worthy), but several of the comments/humour is implying that the female code author is some "math is sooo hard" barbie type character. I read Hacker News to escape this kind of thing. While some may enjoy it, I don't think it's appropriate for HN or Gcode/Github/Bitbucket for that matter, which is most likely why the latter sites shut it down.

Morgawr 13y ago

Honestly, while people have all the rights to not like something, I don't see the point in "censoring" satires or juvenile projects. It gives me a bad vibe, what's next? Gonna shut down anti-X projects? (Where X stands for whatever the majority doesn't agree with) In my opinion, if you don't like it, just ignore it. Ps: I realise github and bitbucket have full rights to do this since it's on their platforms Pps: I hope I won't get downvoted to hell for stating my opinion

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theorique 13y ago

The BitBucket complaint thread justified the censorship as follows: After further consideration, we have decided to remove this repository. While our End User Agreement explicitly prohibits the posting of content that is "racially or ethnically offensive," we believe it is consistent with the spirit of our agreement to also prohibit content that is offensive toward a specific gender. We will update our End User Agreement to make this prohibition more explicit. It's disturbing that both GitHub and BitBucket are content policing to this extent. Probably these incidents are just to avoid social/political drama, over a "joke" project. But what happens when it involves something more serious? if (e.g.) a crypto project is shut down because it facilitates dissident politics, or an indie video game is shut down because it has politically incorrect content. Bottom line is that you need to host your own code. These companies don't care about your goals or purpose - they just bow to the loudest voices to avoid controversy and complaints.

tommorris 13y ago
Then you pay for your own hosting on your own server. Bitbucket and Github don't owe you the right to host shit they don't want on their servers.
- theorique 13y ago
  I agree with you there. It just seems as though policy is being improvised on the spot based on who gets loudest and most hysterical, rather than policy being based on logic, reason, and principles that can be cited. And maybe that's OK - Bitbucket and Github are businesses, and it's not necessarily their interest to host material that attracts unwanted public attention. But it's unfortunate to know that for all the rhetoric about openness and free expression in internet culture, the reality is that a distributed witch hunt can get something shut down hard, with minimal warning.
  - tommorris 13y ago
    At a certain point, the rules become a subjective judgment call on the question of "is this person being a trollish dick?"

tommorris 13y ago

The major problem I have with this is that the repository contained fake commits specifically to name people like Valerie Aurora from Ada Initiative. Faking commits of people you disagree with as a way to troll them is something that Bitbucket should rightly remove regardless of the content.