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Say what you want about tech-workers sense of entitlement, or the local's misdirected anger, but I think we can all agree that this nonsense is great for sfgate

by lbrandy 13y ago

Say what you want about tech-workers sense of entitlement, or the local's misdirected anger, but I think we can all agree that this nonsense is great for sfgate's page views. And they clearly know it. They just keep publishing the same two stories over and over. edit to add: I want a media backlash. That always comes, right? Maybe then we can get away from this nonsense narrative of tech-workers vs locals and focus on the actual problems at the root of housing prices.

loceng 13y ago
If someone have a similar need or problem then someone taking lead to stir up a conversation and anger about an issue - why not? It's only really a problem when there are lies being stated, which I have no idea if there are.
larrys 13y ago
"I want a media backlash" The "story about the story" doesn't come until the story is rehashed and played out many many times. Milked until the only thing to talk about is the coverage itself. (I know nothing about this subject so I am not weighing in with agreement or disagreement - only pointing out how stories play out in the press not what you are actually saying.)
timr 13y ago
"I think we can all agree that this nonsense is great for sfgate's page views. And they clearly know it. They just keep publishing the same two stories over and over." Don't know about that, but I do know this: for every article about the tech backlash, there's a top-rated HN comment dismissing the whole thing as a cheap ploy for page views.
- lbrandy 13y ago
  > for every article about the tech backlash, there's a top-rated HN comment dismissing... That's not even a little true. > ...dismissing the whole thing as a cheap ploy for page views. Strawman. I didn't dismiss anything. It can be both a real issue and sfgate can be milking it for pageviews. The issue with housing prices (and the gentrification that follows) is most certainly a real issue. And sfgate is most certainly milking it for page views.
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  - rmrfrmrf 13y ago
    Tell me more about your knowledge of logical fallacies.
csense 13y ago
The root of the problem is that much of the tech industry is strangely old-fashioned about doing business face-to-face. This means that places like SF where the density of tech people is well above-average will attract more tech migrants, and the price of housing will rise until the market clears -- with long-time locals priced out by tech companies that pay high salaries. As long as tech companies are willing to pay the salaries they're paying, unwilling to open up shop outside SF, and refuse to consider allowing long-distance remote employees, the problem will continue. Source: Please consider all the job openings you're aware of, and try to keep a count of the fraction that would be closed to remote-only candidates.
- wozniacki 13y ago
  with long-time locals priced out by tech companies that pay high salaries. I hope and dearly hope that you also meant to include the Germans, Italians and Irish who constituted the major demographic of the Mission once, when you say "long time locals" and not just the recent Hispanic arrivals. I am appalled by everyone, from the New York Times [1] to Al Jazeera [2], white-washing the facts to make it seem like what is going on in the Mission and the rest of the city is somehow a Noah's Flood-like grand sweep of gentrification that the city had never seen before. People were displaced before. At least a casual mention of it by the media, would be nice. [1] http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2013/11/20/us/20131122_TECH-9.html http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2013/11/20/us/20131122_TECH... [2] http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-latest/2013/11/1/gentrification-insanfrancisco.html http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-late...
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protomyth 13y ago
"I want a media backlash. That always comes, right?" Actually, no it doesn't. A group most of us identify with (techies) is cast as the villain of the piece. The designated villain doesn't get a reprieve. Ask anyone who identifies with any other group the press latches onto as an oppressor.

by lbrandy 13y ago

loceng 13y ago

If someone have a similar need or problem then someone taking lead to stir up a conversation and anger about an issue - why not? It's only really a problem when there are lies being stated, which I have no idea if there are.

larrys 13y ago

"I want a media backlash" The "story about the story" doesn't come until the story is rehashed and played out many many times. Milked until the only thing to talk about is the coverage itself. (I know nothing about this subject so I am not weighing in with agreement or disagreement - only pointing out how stories play out in the press not what you are actually saying.)

timr 13y ago

"I think we can all agree that this nonsense is great for sfgate's page views. And they clearly know it. They just keep publishing the same two stories over and over." Don't know about that, but I do know this: for every article about the tech backlash, there's a top-rated HN comment dismissing the whole thing as a cheap ploy for page views.

lbrandy 13y ago
> for every article about the tech backlash, there's a top-rated HN comment dismissing... That's not even a little true. > ...dismissing the whole thing as a cheap ploy for page views. Strawman. I didn't dismiss anything. It can be both a real issue and sfgate can be milking it for pageviews. The issue with housing prices (and the gentrification that follows) is most certainly a real issue. And sfgate is most certainly milking it for page views.
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- rmrfrmrf 13y ago
  Tell me more about your knowledge of logical fallacies.

csense 13y ago

The root of the problem is that much of the tech industry is strangely old-fashioned about doing business face-to-face. This means that places like SF where the density of tech people is well above-average will attract more tech migrants, and the price of housing will rise until the market clears -- with long-time locals priced out by tech companies that pay high salaries. As long as tech companies are willing to pay the salaries they're paying, unwilling to open up shop outside SF, and refuse to consider allowing long-distance remote employees, the problem will continue. Source: Please consider all the job openings you're aware of, and try to keep a count of the fraction that would be closed to remote-only candidates.

wozniacki 13y ago
with long-time locals priced out by tech companies that pay high salaries. I hope and dearly hope that you also meant to include the Germans, Italians and Irish who constituted the major demographic of the Mission once, when you say "long time locals" and not just the recent Hispanic arrivals. I am appalled by everyone, from the New York Times [1] to Al Jazeera [2], white-washing the facts to make it seem like what is going on in the Mission and the rest of the city is somehow a Noah's Flood-like grand sweep of gentrification that the city had never seen before. People were displaced before. At least a casual mention of it by the media, would be nice. [1] http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2013/11/20/us/20131122_TECH-9.html http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2013/11/20/us/20131122_TECH... [2] http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-latest/2013/11/1/gentrification-insanfrancisco.html http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-late...
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protomyth 13y ago

"I want a media backlash. That always comes, right?" Actually, no it doesn't. A group most of us identify with (techies) is cast as the villain of the piece. The designated villain doesn't get a reprieve. Ask anyone who identifies with any other group the press latches onto as an oppressor.