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If by decline, you mean "ironically increased in occurrence until it has become the number one killer of men and women", then yes, it's declined dramatically.

If by decline, you mean "ironically increased in occurrence until it has become the number one killer of men and women", then yes, it's declined dramatically. However, the problem isn't meat eating; it's the quantity and fat content of meat that is eaten. Eating moderate amounts of beef, chicken, etc, is associated with longer life and healthier hearts, but eating too much is associated with heart disease.

kingkongrevenge 17y ago
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/chd_decline.html http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/chd_decline.html
- jodrellblank 17y ago
  I don't like the way he refers to "Premature CHD Mortality" as if having CHD which kills you at an older age can be dismissed from consideration. He also doesn't mention that another thing the groups all have in common is being alive at the same time - if treatment for symptoms improved, all ages would benefit, e.g. with the creation of the National Health Service (NHS) in Britain, starting with legislation in 1948 and presumably taking a few years to ramp up to nationwide usefulness.
  - kingkongrevenge 17y ago
    The same trend exists in the entire post war industrialized world, including Japan. Heart disease deaths declined as people got more affluent. Most likely because they could afford to eat better food and more meat and dairy.
    - jshen 17y ago
      the assertion that eating more meat reduces heart disease is absurd and you've shown nothing to back it up.
      - kingkongrevenge 17y ago
        The assertion that eating less meat reduces heart disease is absurd in the face of the fact that heart disease has declined all around the world while meat consumption has gone up.
        jshen 17y ago
        Your link is about death rates, not heart disease rates. Can you give me some graphs of heart disease rates over time with sources? There are plenty of studies which show that societies that eat more meat have higher rates of heart disease. I have yet to see a study showing the opposite which is why I said it's absurd. I also read some more of the "articles" on that site you linked to and they were absurd on their face. Here is one example. They are attempting to refute the claim that animal farming is an efficient use of land. "Much of the land used for animal farming, cannot be used for arable farming. With a rapidly expanding world population, a large proportion of whom are already starving, how can taking this land out of production help?" This completely ignores the fact that large percentages of our corn and soy farming is used to feed animals. Ignoring this single data point either makes them ignorant or dishonest.
        kingkongrevenge 17y ago
        Much of the land used to grow corn and soy should rightly be used to graze animals. It is only used to grow plants because of federal subsidies. Remove the subsidies and special water rights, and it would revert to grass lands best used for sheep and cattle. I'd go google up the data about heart disease declining in Japan and continental Europe in the post-war era, but I get the impression you're blind to facts.
        jshen 17y ago
        It's fascinating that you refused to give data in your past two posts. Regarding land, if we used the land used to grow animal feed to grow plants for human consumption we'd get a lot more food. This is clearly more efficient, yet the page you linked to tries to claim the opposite by ignoring facts and building logic on that false basis.

kingkongrevenge 17y ago

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/chd_decline.html http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/chd_decline.html

jodrellblank 17y ago
I don't like the way he refers to "Premature CHD Mortality" as if having CHD which kills you at an older age can be dismissed from consideration. He also doesn't mention that another thing the groups all have in common is being alive at the same time - if treatment for symptoms improved, all ages would benefit, e.g. with the creation of the National Health Service (NHS) in Britain, starting with legislation in 1948 and presumably taking a few years to ramp up to nationwide usefulness.
- kingkongrevenge 17y ago
  The same trend exists in the entire post war industrialized world, including Japan. Heart disease deaths declined as people got more affluent. Most likely because they could afford to eat better food and more meat and dairy.
  - jshen 17y ago
    the assertion that eating more meat reduces heart disease is absurd and you've shown nothing to back it up.
    - kingkongrevenge 17y ago
      The assertion that eating less meat reduces heart disease is absurd in the face of the fact that heart disease has declined all around the world while meat consumption has gone up.
      - jshen 17y ago
        Your link is about death rates, not heart disease rates. Can you give me some graphs of heart disease rates over time with sources? There are plenty of studies which show that societies that eat more meat have higher rates of heart disease. I have yet to see a study showing the opposite which is why I said it's absurd. I also read some more of the "articles" on that site you linked to and they were absurd on their face. Here is one example. They are attempting to refute the claim that animal farming is an efficient use of land. "Much of the land used for animal farming, cannot be used for arable farming. With a rapidly expanding world population, a large proportion of whom are already starving, how can taking this land out of production help?" This completely ignores the fact that large percentages of our corn and soy farming is used to feed animals. Ignoring this single data point either makes them ignorant or dishonest.
        kingkongrevenge 17y ago
        Much of the land used to grow corn and soy should rightly be used to graze animals. It is only used to grow plants because of federal subsidies. Remove the subsidies and special water rights, and it would revert to grass lands best used for sheep and cattle. I'd go google up the data about heart disease declining in Japan and continental Europe in the post-war era, but I get the impression you're blind to facts.
        jshen 17y ago
        It's fascinating that you refused to give data in your past two posts. Regarding land, if we used the land used to grow animal feed to grow plants for human consumption we'd get a lot more food. This is clearly more efficient, yet the page you linked to tries to claim the opposite by ignoring facts and building logic on that false basis.