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heart disease has increased with meat consumption.
by jshen 17y ago
heart disease has increased with meat consumption.
- zngtk4 17y agoHeart disease has also increased with sugar consumption. Older cultures that ate primarily meat, but not a western diet also showed almost no heart disease.
- Devilboy 17y agoOlder cultures also didn't live to their 70s like we do now so I'm not convinced that this is a good counter-example.
- zngtk4 17y agoI agree, this is one of the biggest flaws with this line of reasoning. However, it does say something (although it's unclear what it means for us) that some of those cultures had less incidence of the diseases commonly associated with old age compared with nearby similar cultures that ate less or no meat.
- jshen 17y agocan you produce a controlled study backing up your assertion ;)
- kingkongrevenge 17y ago> Older cultures also didn't live to their 70s like we do now This isn't exactly true. There has never been much of a shortage of 75 year olds, excepting certain grindingly poor societies.
- kingkongrevenge 17y agoNo it hasn't. Heart disease in the post war era declined in the industrialized world as people could afford more meat.
- fatdog789 17y agoIf by decline, you mean "ironically increased in occurrence until it has become the number one killer of men and women", then yes, it's declined dramatically. However, the problem isn't meat eating; it's the quantity and fat content of meat that is eaten. Eating moderate amounts of beef, chicken, etc, is associated with longer life and healthier hearts, but eating too much is associated with heart disease.
- kingkongrevenge 17y agohttp://www.second-opinions.co.uk/chd_decline.html http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/chd_decline.html
- jodrellblank 17y agoI don't like the way he refers to "Premature CHD Mortality" as if having CHD which kills you at an older age can be dismissed from consideration. He also doesn't mention that another thing the groups all have in common is being alive at the same time - if treatment for symptoms improved, all ages would benefit, e.g. with the creation of the National Health Service (NHS) in Britain, starting with legislation in 1948 and presumably taking a few years to ramp up to nationwide usefulness.
- kingkongrevenge 17y agoThe same trend exists in the entire post war industrialized world, including Japan. Heart disease deaths declined as people got more affluent. Most likely because they could afford to eat better food and more meat and dairy.
- jshen 17y agothe assertion that eating more meat reduces heart disease is absurd and you've shown nothing to back it up.