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Washing Hands in Hot Water Wastes Energy, Study Says

10 points by andrewhillman 13y ago

artacus 13y ago
So the surgeon should use cold water before gloving? It seems more sensible to heat the water at the tap like they do in Germany and Barbados.
- banachtarski 13y ago
  Huh? Did you read the article?
  - artacus 13y ago
    I confess to being facetious with my comment which is probably not cool because though I believe this whole preoccupation with carbon emissions to be a scam, the idea of wasting energy bothers me on a natural level, so that long before global warming I washed my hands with cold water.
- sliverstorm 13y ago
  It seems more sensible to heat the water at the tap That would be luxurious, yes, but it's the more technically challenging/expensive option. You need a heater in every tap, and you have to run 10AWG or a gas hardline to every tap. (I happen to have been contemplating the feasibility of this on my own)
clubhi 13y ago
This whole time I've been taking hot showers for nothing.
B0Z 13y ago
Maybe. But my hands feel better with hot water.
ianferrel 13y ago
I always thought the purpose of hot water was to improve the reaction between the soap and the oils on your hands. Use cold water, and the oil thickens, which makes it harder to emulsify, and less likely to get washed away in the water. Use hot water, and the oils are easier to wash away. Oils can trap dirt and bacteria, so washing them away makes your hands cleaner. There's a telling quote from the article that makes me think they're not really studying what they should: " Even water as cold as 40°F (4.4°C) appeared to reduce bacteria as well as hotter water, if hands were scrubbed, rinsed, and dried properly." But how do they fare when hands aren't scrubbed rinsed and dried properly, and does the average person scrub, rinse, and dry their hands properly? More importantly, are they more likely to do so if the water is pleasantly warm? If hot water helps in the actual common case, then it's still important.
- stefantalpalaru 13y ago
  You're right. They also think that the purpose of washing one's hands is killing germs instead of removing them from the skin.
  - steven2012 13y ago
    I'm in my 40s, but I only learned in the last ~10 years that soap didn't kill bacteria, but only helped remove bacteria that was stuck in the oil in your hands. My sister, who is in the medical field, told me this and at first I refused to believe her because the idea had been with me basically my entire life.
    - bluekitten 13y ago
      Do hand sanitizers work differently then? You don't need to use water with those, just applying them is supposed to do the trick. I think some have alcohol that kills the germs.
iLoch 13y ago
In other news: The sky is blue. Well, it's actually grey right now. Sigh.
bcoates 13y ago
"if hands were scrubbed, rinsed, and dried properly." ... which never happens. Seems like the same faulty logic used to justify blow-driers over paper towels. It doesn't look like the study that would actually answer this question (randomly assigning bathrooms heated and unheated water, doing hand swabs on leaving patrons) has actually been done, but if I were in a position to gamble on the outcome, I'd bet the cold water bathroom gets substantially less effective cleaning for human-factors reasons.
orthecreedence 13y ago
IF you use cold water, your body has to make up the lost heat. This requires energy which comes from burning calories, meaning you will have to eat sooner. Food is not free energy, and in many cases is probably a lot less efficient energy-wise than hot water when you think about the energy it takes to grow, prepare, package, and ship it. This is why I started the Lukewarm Water Hand Washing Awareness Coalition (LWHWAC). We've been fighting for years to raise awareness of the dangers of washing hands in both hot and cold water by lobbying to get our messages in schools, holding bake sales, running TV and radio advertisements, streaking through hot water heater sections of department stores, and holding flyering campaigns.
- qbrass 13y ago
  But so many people nowadays eat too many calories. That's why I started the Cold Water Weight Loss System. With a regimen of cold showers and washing your hands with cold water, you'll shiver those pounds away in no time.
djent 13y ago
Shouldn't the use of good antibacterial soap remove most [99%, as advertised] of the bacteria anyway?
- pkroll 13y ago
  No: those antibacterial soaps are advertising a number that is the same as regular soap. They're no better in getting rid of bacteria, and may contribute to antibacterial resistance. http://health.howstuffworks.com/skin-care/cleansing/myths/question692.htm http://health.howstuffworks.com/skin-care/cleansing/myths/qu... (but a quick search will net you plenty of other refs)
vietor 13y ago
Interesting from a biology/chemistry perspective, but also perhaps a really good example of missing secondary effects. "The agencies do recommend using soap and water and scrubbing vigorously, for at least 20 seconds." I spend a whole lot more time scrubbing when the water is nice and warm. ""You don't need hot water, you need soap, water, and friction," said Sack. He added that the Escambia County Health Department in Pensacola, Florida, decided to turn off the hot water heaters in its five clinics two years ago, after a review of the literature provided no evidence that hot water was better." ... and did turning off the hot water have impact on compliance with hand washing policy? That would be an interesting follow-up study.
geraldvdp 13y ago
I knew it!
greenyoda 13y ago
The researcher interviewed in this article, Amanda Carrico, has three degrees in psychology.[1] I'm not sure why I should trust her to do a review of the microbiology literature. [1] http://www.vanderbilt.edu/viee/profiles/amanda-carrico.php http://www.vanderbilt.edu/viee/profiles/amanda-carrico.php

10 points by andrewhillman 13y ago

So the surgeon should use cold water before gloving? It seems more sensible to heat the water at the tap like they do in Germany and Barbados.

banachtarski 13y ago
Huh? Did you read the article?
- artacus 13y ago
  I confess to being facetious with my comment which is probably not cool because though I believe this whole preoccupation with carbon emissions to be a scam, the idea of wasting energy bothers me on a natural level, so that long before global warming I washed my hands with cold water.
sliverstorm 13y ago
It seems more sensible to heat the water at the tap That would be luxurious, yes, but it's the more technically challenging/expensive option. You need a heater in every tap, and you have to run 10AWG or a gas hardline to every tap. (I happen to have been contemplating the feasibility of this on my own)

clubhi 13y ago

This whole time I've been taking hot showers for nothing.

B0Z 13y ago

Maybe. But my hands feel better with hot water.

ianferrel 13y ago

I always thought the purpose of hot water was to improve the reaction between the soap and the oils on your hands. Use cold water, and the oil thickens, which makes it harder to emulsify, and less likely to get washed away in the water. Use hot water, and the oils are easier to wash away. Oils can trap dirt and bacteria, so washing them away makes your hands cleaner. There's a telling quote from the article that makes me think they're not really studying what they should: " Even water as cold as 40°F (4.4°C) appeared to reduce bacteria as well as hotter water, if hands were scrubbed, rinsed, and dried properly." But how do they fare when hands aren't scrubbed rinsed and dried properly, and does the average person scrub, rinse, and dry their hands properly? More importantly, are they more likely to do so if the water is pleasantly warm? If hot water helps in the actual common case, then it's still important.

stefantalpalaru 13y ago
You're right. They also think that the purpose of washing one's hands is killing germs instead of removing them from the skin.
- steven2012 13y ago
  I'm in my 40s, but I only learned in the last ~10 years that soap didn't kill bacteria, but only helped remove bacteria that was stuck in the oil in your hands. My sister, who is in the medical field, told me this and at first I refused to believe her because the idea had been with me basically my entire life.
  - bluekitten 13y ago
    Do hand sanitizers work differently then? You don't need to use water with those, just applying them is supposed to do the trick. I think some have alcohol that kills the germs.

iLoch 13y ago

In other news: The sky is blue. Well, it's actually grey right now. Sigh.

bcoates 13y ago

"if hands were scrubbed, rinsed, and dried properly." ... which never happens. Seems like the same faulty logic used to justify blow-driers over paper towels. It doesn't look like the study that would actually answer this question (randomly assigning bathrooms heated and unheated water, doing hand swabs on leaving patrons) has actually been done, but if I were in a position to gamble on the outcome, I'd bet the cold water bathroom gets substantially less effective cleaning for human-factors reasons.

orthecreedence 13y ago

IF you use cold water, your body has to make up the lost heat. This requires energy which comes from burning calories, meaning you will have to eat sooner. Food is not free energy, and in many cases is probably a lot less efficient energy-wise than hot water when you think about the energy it takes to grow, prepare, package, and ship it. This is why I started the Lukewarm Water Hand Washing Awareness Coalition (LWHWAC). We've been fighting for years to raise awareness of the dangers of washing hands in both hot and cold water by lobbying to get our messages in schools, holding bake sales, running TV and radio advertisements, streaking through hot water heater sections of department stores, and holding flyering campaigns.

qbrass 13y ago
But so many people nowadays eat too many calories. That's why I started the Cold Water Weight Loss System. With a regimen of cold showers and washing your hands with cold water, you'll shiver those pounds away in no time.

djent 13y ago

Shouldn't the use of good antibacterial soap remove most [99%, as advertised] of the bacteria anyway?

pkroll 13y ago
No: those antibacterial soaps are advertising a number that is the same as regular soap. They're no better in getting rid of bacteria, and may contribute to antibacterial resistance. http://health.howstuffworks.com/skin-care/cleansing/myths/question692.htm http://health.howstuffworks.com/skin-care/cleansing/myths/qu... (but a quick search will net you plenty of other refs)

vietor 13y ago

Interesting from a biology/chemistry perspective, but also perhaps a really good example of missing secondary effects. "The agencies do recommend using soap and water and scrubbing vigorously, for at least 20 seconds." I spend a whole lot more time scrubbing when the water is nice and warm. ""You don't need hot water, you need soap, water, and friction," said Sack. He added that the Escambia County Health Department in Pensacola, Florida, decided to turn off the hot water heaters in its five clinics two years ago, after a review of the literature provided no evidence that hot water was better." ... and did turning off the hot water have impact on compliance with hand washing policy? That would be an interesting follow-up study.

geraldvdp 13y ago

I knew it!

greenyoda 13y ago

The researcher interviewed in this article, Amanda Carrico, has three degrees in psychology.[1] I'm not sure why I should trust her to do a review of the microbiology literature. [1] http://www.vanderbilt.edu/viee/profiles/amanda-carrico.php http://www.vanderbilt.edu/viee/profiles/amanda-carrico.php