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Not something I've ever desired. Either in the home or externally rendered. In the home there's absolutely no way my consumer hardware is going to to keep up wi

by nwh 13y ago

Not something I've ever desired. Either in the home or externally rendered. In the home there's absolutely no way my consumer hardware is going to to keep up with 1080p or 2160p streaming over a network (heck HDMI barely manages), and externally there's no way you can possibly play a game with the sort of latency (400ms+) you get on Australian internet connections. I can see why it would be attractive if you had a basement, but why not just run a DisplayPort cable and USB?

jcastro 13y ago
Consumer hardware handles 1080p streaming over a network just fine, have you ever seen an Nvidia shield? It streams PC games in 1080p to the mobile device and the control is then sent back to the PC game. It works surprisingly well.
- TsiCClawOfLight 13y ago
  He was talking about the future, and he's correct - what's gonna happen with 4k?
  - recursive 13y ago
    One of two things. 1) Network speeds and latency never improve, and it remains forever impossible to stream 4k video. In this scenario, we can still stream current "HD" video. 2) Network capacity improves, like it always has. 4k video is no problem.
    - TillE 13y ago
      > The bit rate of the uncompressed 4K video stream can exceed 6 Gbit/s, which can be transmitted via a 10 Gbit/s network http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4445944&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4445944 http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=444594... So we're already there, as long as you're set up for 10Gbit ethernet.
  - sliverstorm 13y ago
    I'm not too concerned. To my reckoning, a 4k TV plus hardware that can render high-quality 4k games real-time is quite a ways away, and network hardware will continue to develop along the way.
    - nwh 13y ago
      You can do both quite comfortably now. There's affordable (sub $2000 USD) 4K TVs, and consumer cards can push out 4L video if you gang them together. It's not really out of the range of possibility, I've been investigating making a setup capable of it in the very near future.
      - supergauntlet 13y ago
        You're looking at quite a lot of hardware investment, yes. I'd say around $1500 for graphics cards alone, if you want to run at high/ultra settings at 60 FPS. You could probably get away with a single 780 ti or a single 290x if you were fine with 30 frames per second or decreased quality settings.
        nwh 13y ago
        I was going to aim for a single GPU just to avoid having to deal with having such a wide block of coolers. It's something I'll have to experiment with a bit I think, I haven't built a computer in years. Last time I did I was using AGP cards rather than three slot monsters drawing half a kilowatt. I'm quite happy spending money if it's something quality and will last a reasonable amount of time. I consciously avoid buying cheap things that I will dispose of in a year.
sliverstorm 13y ago
why not just run a DisplayPort cable and USB? The "client" machine is on the 2nd floor, on the other corner of the house. I'm with you for off-site rendering, but I am optimistic for in-home. The latency is good, and even if we can only stream 720p games around the house, that's still valuable to me. My media PC is pretty formidable for what it is, but there are still plenty of games that have to be run on at low resolution with very low detail.
Aaronneyer 13y ago
It can be very nice to be able to sit on the couch on your laptop and play games with the power of your PC. Me and some friends are almost done with development of a streaming solution that works pretty much like this (Based on NVIDIA Gamestream, used by the Shield) and given a good network, there is practically no delay and it is very playable.
dwild 13y ago
I tried Onlive multiple time and I can play perfectly well even if I connect to a server hundred of KM away using wifi on my phone. Why can't I do the same on my own 1 gbit network at home? Yeah you won't achieve the best latency but it can't be worst than the latency to the servers of Onlive so it's more than perfect for me. The DisplayPort idea is not bad, except that my ethernet cable are already placed and my TV can't connect to a DisplayPort.

by nwh 13y ago

jcastro 13y ago

Consumer hardware handles 1080p streaming over a network just fine, have you ever seen an Nvidia shield? It streams PC games in 1080p to the mobile device and the control is then sent back to the PC game. It works surprisingly well.

TsiCClawOfLight 13y ago
He was talking about the future, and he's correct - what's gonna happen with 4k?
- recursive 13y ago
  One of two things. 1) Network speeds and latency never improve, and it remains forever impossible to stream 4k video. In this scenario, we can still stream current "HD" video. 2) Network capacity improves, like it always has. 4k video is no problem.
  - TillE 13y ago
    > The bit rate of the uncompressed 4K video stream can exceed 6 Gbit/s, which can be transmitted via a 10 Gbit/s network http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4445944&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4445944 http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=444594... So we're already there, as long as you're set up for 10Gbit ethernet.
- sliverstorm 13y ago
  I'm not too concerned. To my reckoning, a 4k TV plus hardware that can render high-quality 4k games real-time is quite a ways away, and network hardware will continue to develop along the way.
  - nwh 13y ago
    You can do both quite comfortably now. There's affordable (sub $2000 USD) 4K TVs, and consumer cards can push out 4L video if you gang them together. It's not really out of the range of possibility, I've been investigating making a setup capable of it in the very near future.
    - supergauntlet 13y ago
      You're looking at quite a lot of hardware investment, yes. I'd say around $1500 for graphics cards alone, if you want to run at high/ultra settings at 60 FPS. You could probably get away with a single 780 ti or a single 290x if you were fine with 30 frames per second or decreased quality settings.
      - nwh 13y ago
        I was going to aim for a single GPU just to avoid having to deal with having such a wide block of coolers. It's something I'll have to experiment with a bit I think, I haven't built a computer in years. Last time I did I was using AGP cards rather than three slot monsters drawing half a kilowatt. I'm quite happy spending money if it's something quality and will last a reasonable amount of time. I consciously avoid buying cheap things that I will dispose of in a year.

sliverstorm 13y ago

why not just run a DisplayPort cable and USB? The "client" machine is on the 2nd floor, on the other corner of the house. I'm with you for off-site rendering, but I am optimistic for in-home. The latency is good, and even if we can only stream 720p games around the house, that's still valuable to me. My media PC is pretty formidable for what it is, but there are still plenty of games that have to be run on at low resolution with very low detail.

Aaronneyer 13y ago

It can be very nice to be able to sit on the couch on your laptop and play games with the power of your PC. Me and some friends are almost done with development of a streaming solution that works pretty much like this (Based on NVIDIA Gamestream, used by the Shield) and given a good network, there is practically no delay and it is very playable.

dwild 13y ago

I tried Onlive multiple time and I can play perfectly well even if I connect to a server hundred of KM away using wifi on my phone. Why can't I do the same on my own 1 gbit network at home? Yeah you won't achieve the best latency but it can't be worst than the latency to the servers of Onlive so it's more than perfect for me. The DisplayPort idea is not bad, except that my ethernet cable are already placed and my TV can't connect to a DisplayPort.