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If that is the case, then I used a bad example, but I really don't think I did. Off topic, but... I recently bought a days usage from put.io with bitcoin. The

by base698 13y ago

If that is the case, then I used a bad example, but I really don't think I did. Off topic, but... I recently bought a days usage from put.io with bitcoin. They got their money instantly, I don't have to worry about a hacker getting my credit card info or using more bitcoins in my wallet than I gave. I didn't have to enter a bunch of personal information to prove my identity.

marcosdumay 13y ago
> I didn't have to enter a bunch of personal information to prove my identity. You are wrong here. You did exactly that (a bitcoin transaction is that), just in a way you are not used to.
- base698 13y ago
  Yes, but I didn't have to fill out a two page form, I clicked send in my bitcoin client.
mynewwork 13y ago
When a hacker gets your credit card info, you're liable for $50 and have the hassle of a few days without your card until you get new one. When a hacker gets your bitcoin wallet, they can empty out your entire account.
- base698 13y ago
  That's why you have multiple wallets, which you can create with a click of a button. It's effortless to create as many wallets as required for you to feel safe.
- pfisch 13y ago
  It is just sooo much easier to get credit card information though. You literally give all of it to everyone any time you use it. I don't really know why credit cards don't have a public/private key situation but they don't, so people are just stealing them constantly or applying for them with a bunch of stolen personal information and then running up your credit in ways that are pretty difficult to detect. A lot of the fraud that is occurring today is because the systems we are using to transmit wealth digitally are inherently very insecure.
- Karunamon 13y ago
  When the government wishes to make your life miserable and you have a credit card, they can call your credit card company and get your account frozen for reasons. When the government wishes to make your life miserable and you have a bitcoin wallet, they have to do a lot more work if they want those funds.
  - ceol 13y ago
    Because the government making your life miserable by freezing your account is just as common as someone stealing your credit card, right?
    - Karunamon 13y ago
      I bet people losing their bitcoin wallets to an intruder (or indeed any file on their computer) happens less often than credit card theft.
      - snth 13y ago
        Well, credit cards are a lot more widely used than bitcoin. So base rate fallacy.
nswanberg 13y ago
I think it was a great example for a possibly not as great point. I think both you and tokenadult would prefer to read a paper on using bitcoin in vending machines http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.tik.ee.ethz.ch%2Ffile%2F848064fa2e80f88a57aef43d7d5956c6%2FP2P2013_093.pdf&oq=cache%3Awww.tik.ee.ethz.ch%2Ffile%2F848064fa2e80f88a57aef43d7d5956c6%2FP2P2013_093.pdf&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.882j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.t... rather than something more sensationalist like http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/05/robocoin/ http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/05/robocoin/ ( with titles along the lines of Bitcoin ATMs: Valhalla Incarnate or the Looming Death of Civilization?) And I like your example of a use of bitcoin apart from speculation. The sensationalist articles love bitcoin because it is new, but also because a few people have become rich and poor from speculating on it and its future is uncertain, which leaves lots of room in the stories for "raising concerns". But as tokenadult pointed out, we can avoid those articles and the sources that tend to deliver them.

by base698 13y ago

marcosdumay 13y ago

> I didn't have to enter a bunch of personal information to prove my identity. You are wrong here. You did exactly that (a bitcoin transaction is that), just in a way you are not used to.

base698 13y ago
Yes, but I didn't have to fill out a two page form, I clicked send in my bitcoin client.

mynewwork 13y ago

When a hacker gets your credit card info, you're liable for $50 and have the hassle of a few days without your card until you get new one. When a hacker gets your bitcoin wallet, they can empty out your entire account.

base698 13y ago
That's why you have multiple wallets, which you can create with a click of a button. It's effortless to create as many wallets as required for you to feel safe.
pfisch 13y ago
It is just sooo much easier to get credit card information though. You literally give all of it to everyone any time you use it. I don't really know why credit cards don't have a public/private key situation but they don't, so people are just stealing them constantly or applying for them with a bunch of stolen personal information and then running up your credit in ways that are pretty difficult to detect. A lot of the fraud that is occurring today is because the systems we are using to transmit wealth digitally are inherently very insecure.
Karunamon 13y ago
When the government wishes to make your life miserable and you have a credit card, they can call your credit card company and get your account frozen for reasons. When the government wishes to make your life miserable and you have a bitcoin wallet, they have to do a lot more work if they want those funds.
- ceol 13y ago
  Because the government making your life miserable by freezing your account is just as common as someone stealing your credit card, right?
  - Karunamon 13y ago
    I bet people losing their bitcoin wallets to an intruder (or indeed any file on their computer) happens less often than credit card theft.
    - snth 13y ago
      Well, credit cards are a lot more widely used than bitcoin. So base rate fallacy.

nswanberg 13y ago

I think it was a great example for a possibly not as great point. I think both you and tokenadult would prefer to read a paper on using bitcoin in vending machines http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.tik.ee.ethz.ch%2Ffile%2F848064fa2e80f88a57aef43d7d5956c6%2FP2P2013_093.pdf&oq=cache%3Awww.tik.ee.ethz.ch%2Ffile%2F848064fa2e80f88a57aef43d7d5956c6%2FP2P2013_093.pdf&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.882j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.t... rather than something more sensationalist like http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/05/robocoin/ http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/05/robocoin/ ( with titles along the lines of Bitcoin ATMs: Valhalla Incarnate or the Looming Death of Civilization?) And I like your example of a use of bitcoin apart from speculation. The sensationalist articles love bitcoin because it is new, but also because a few people have become rich and poor from speculating on it and its future is uncertain, which leaves lots of room in the stories for "raising concerns". But as tokenadult pointed out, we can avoid those articles and the sources that tend to deliver them.