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Depending on the point of view, either your $10 became $40, or $30 from the anonymous donor just became $40. I've learnt about the concept of donation matching

by m_rcin 13y ago

Depending on the point of view, either your $10 became $40, or $30 from the anonymous donor just became $40. I've learnt about the concept of donation matching only recently (it's not used all over the world yet). It doesn't seem very honest to me. And not only to me, e.g. http://blog.givewell.org/2011/12/15/why-you-shouldnt-let-donation-matching-affect-your-giving/ http://blog.givewell.org/2011/12/15/why-you-shouldnt-let-don...

lelandbatey 13y ago
Yeah, it doesn't. I did actually think "why didn't that anonymous guy just donate the straight up cash?" And then I realized "ah, because then I wouldn't have donated my money." It's not totally honest, but I get why they do it and I don't regret donating the money so in the end, whatever.
specialp 13y ago
It is indeed a marketing gimmick, but if it gets people to give more then that is a good thing. The article you posted is 100% right, and yes in an ideal world everyone would say well I do not need this gimmick, I am going to donate the most I can to the most worthy charities. I think the article also implies that people have a finite donation budget that other charities are going to miss out on but I disagree. I think most people do not donate enough.
adventured 13y ago
It's completely honest in this case, because it's entirely forthright. You know the deal before you donate. There's absolutely nothing inherent to the concept such that it's dishonest. It exists to drive others to get involved. It's an excellent mechanism and works very well by getting attention and encouraging people that their contributions will be magnified. It's a deal: you give, I give. There's nothing dishonest about that. Further, the donor in this case is matching an 'unlimited' sum. There's no artificial cut-off.
- teddyh 13y ago
  I think the correct word to express m_rcin’s concerns should not be “dishonest”, but “manipulative”.
epistasis 13y ago
This is mostly a moral and ethical judgement, but it appears to be a mild ethical preference, and I wouldn't accept ethical advice from Givewell. They may be trying to do "good" now, but the Wall Street shadiness of their founders shines through. http://mefiwiki.com/wiki/Givewell http://mefiwiki.com/wiki/Givewell

by m_rcin 13y ago

lelandbatey 13y ago

Yeah, it doesn't. I did actually think "why didn't that anonymous guy just donate the straight up cash?" And then I realized "ah, because then I wouldn't have donated my money." It's not totally honest, but I get why they do it and I don't regret donating the money so in the end, whatever.

specialp 13y ago

It is indeed a marketing gimmick, but if it gets people to give more then that is a good thing. The article you posted is 100% right, and yes in an ideal world everyone would say well I do not need this gimmick, I am going to donate the most I can to the most worthy charities. I think the article also implies that people have a finite donation budget that other charities are going to miss out on but I disagree. I think most people do not donate enough.

adventured 13y ago

It's completely honest in this case, because it's entirely forthright. You know the deal before you donate. There's absolutely nothing inherent to the concept such that it's dishonest. It exists to drive others to get involved. It's an excellent mechanism and works very well by getting attention and encouraging people that their contributions will be magnified. It's a deal: you give, I give. There's nothing dishonest about that. Further, the donor in this case is matching an 'unlimited' sum. There's no artificial cut-off.

teddyh 13y ago
I think the correct word to express m_rcin’s concerns should not be “dishonest”, but “manipulative”.

epistasis 13y ago

This is mostly a moral and ethical judgement, but it appears to be a mild ethical preference, and I wouldn't accept ethical advice from Givewell. They may be trying to do "good" now, but the Wall Street shadiness of their founders shines through. http://mefiwiki.com/wiki/Givewell http://mefiwiki.com/wiki/Givewell