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The best part of this isn't even that she was placed on a no-fly list. It's that the DHS lawyer specifically told the judge that she wasn't and the daughter wa

The best part of this isn't even that she was placed on a no-fly list. It's that the DHS lawyer specifically told the judge that she wasn't and the daughter was lying before the documentation was produced. The only way I see out of that accusation is by claiming that the airline was lying to the daughter.

strathmeyer 13y ago
The DHS lawyers obviously thought they had threatened the airlines enough that they wouldn't turn the documentation over to her. Sounds like witness intimidation and tampering with evidence. At least that's what it would be if I did it.
- joezydeco 13y ago
  Not to mention outright lying to a judge. Isn't that a contempt of court issue?
  - pasbesoin 13y ago
    IANAL and also my memory on this point is rather fuzzy, but I believe it may also be the case that under such circumstances, the lawyer who has made such a false and defamatory statement is subject to civil lawsuit for libel/slander.
    - wavefunction 13y ago
      Lying to a judge is an incredibly serious offense for an "officer of the court" like a prosecutor or defense attorney in the course of a trial. That's potential disbarment territory afaik. Prenda Law is another example of lawyers getting a little too clever and running up against a judge who is as sharp as a razor and not keen on legal fraud.
      - x0x0 13y ago
        no it isn't. Lying to the court is nothing; it has to rise to the incredible level of prenda for anything to actually happen to the lawyers involved.
        zymhan 13y ago
        The Prenda case has made legal experts of us all :)
TallGuyShort 13y ago
It's especially damning since it seems their main defense is that the plaintiff can't even prove that DHS is the reason she's unable to fly. They keep saying "well for all we know she just didn't show up for the flight - and we won't confirm or deny if she's on the list". Since they did confirm that the witness wasn't on the list, and she may be able to provide evidence that she is, that really should blow up in their face.
btbuildem 13y ago
Isn't that perjury?

strathmeyer 13y ago

The DHS lawyers obviously thought they had threatened the airlines enough that they wouldn't turn the documentation over to her. Sounds like witness intimidation and tampering with evidence. At least that's what it would be if I did it.

joezydeco 13y ago
Not to mention outright lying to a judge. Isn't that a contempt of court issue?
- pasbesoin 13y ago
  IANAL and also my memory on this point is rather fuzzy, but I believe it may also be the case that under such circumstances, the lawyer who has made such a false and defamatory statement is subject to civil lawsuit for libel/slander.
  - wavefunction 13y ago
    Lying to a judge is an incredibly serious offense for an "officer of the court" like a prosecutor or defense attorney in the course of a trial. That's potential disbarment territory afaik. Prenda Law is another example of lawyers getting a little too clever and running up against a judge who is as sharp as a razor and not keen on legal fraud.
    - x0x0 13y ago
      no it isn't. Lying to the court is nothing; it has to rise to the incredible level of prenda for anything to actually happen to the lawyers involved.
      - zymhan 13y ago
        The Prenda case has made legal experts of us all :)

TallGuyShort 13y ago

It's especially damning since it seems their main defense is that the plaintiff can't even prove that DHS is the reason she's unable to fly. They keep saying "well for all we know she just didn't show up for the flight - and we won't confirm or deny if she's on the list". Since they did confirm that the witness wasn't on the list, and she may be able to provide evidence that she is, that really should blow up in their face.

btbuildem 13y ago

Isn't that perjury?