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50" for my desktop. What? Most people I know can't even handle the current 30" monitors. It feels nicer having two 27" monitors from a not-grossly-exceeding-

by seiji 13y ago

50" for my desktop. What? Most people I know can't even handle the current 30" monitors. It feels nicer having two 27" monitors from a not-grossly-exceeding-peripheral-vision viewpoint.

jfb 13y ago
Different strokes.
clord 13y ago
I like my 30", and wish for more (4 side-by-side windows!). I suspect people who don't like big monitors tend to make their windows fullscreen instead of keeping them content-sized. If you think in windows instead of maximized screens, 50" is superior to 54" split in two. It comes down to the artificial split down the middle which limits where you can stick your windows.
- seiji 13y ago
  The artificial split limit is a benefit for me. Helps self organize things. Watch a movie on the left screen, web browse on the right screen. Keynote in the left screen, reference materials in the right screen, etc.
  - wmf 13y ago
    I find that a single big monitor with a tiling window manager gives the same benefit but is more flexible.
- bhauer 13y ago
  Actually, I would not want to fully-maximize much on a 50+" desktop display, except when I lapse into a pure-consumption mental state. More to the point, I want an immersive, uninterrupted display surface. The bezels in a multi-monitor configuration just serve to annoy me by wasting space on my desk and in my field of view.
HNaTTY 13y ago
I own the 50" Seiki and I use it as a desktop monitor. I need to modify my desk so I can move it further back but I'm getting used to the size. The lag due to 30hZ is a big drawback, my mousing accuracy is noticeably lower, but I can live with that. What I cannot live with is the fact that the monitor goes blank and then re-detects the HDMI signal all the time -- perhaps 25 times in the first few minutes and then once every 5-15 minutes afterwards. I'm using the HDMI port on my Intel Haswell board and have updated drivers and the Seiki firmware, and still get this issue. Seiki support is bad, and lots of people have this issue. They specifically released a firmware update that is supposed to resolve this but it doesn't help me. Perhaps another brand of graphics card would help but currently it's broken.
- bhauer 13y ago
  The HDMI re-detection flaw happens on my wife's 39" Seiki on HDMI 1 and 3 as well. But using the HDMI 2 input, that does not happen. If you haven't already done so, try using the other two HDMI inputs to see if the problem goes away.
- rschmitty 13y ago
  If you need to move it further back you are essentially shrinking your monitor size and you could have instead purchased a smaller monitor and kept the same distance
  - nitrogen 13y ago
    It doesn't feel the same. Unless one is nearsighted and/or crosseyed, it's easier to focus and converge on a more distant object. It also provides for a lot more desk space in front of the monitor.
    - seiji 13y ago
      I'm holding up 27" monitors with this cheap little thing: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082808&p_id=5401&seq=1&format=2 http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10828&cs_id=... Plenty of free desk space! (Also, in the pro-sub-30" argument: it's difficult finding affordable movable arms and mounts for 30"+ monitors)
bhauer 13y ago
Like jfb says, different strokes. I use multiple 30" monitors on my two workstations and I would prefer a single 50" display. My wife's Seiki has more raw pixels than two of my 30" monitors. I admit that an ideal 50" display would be OLED and concave, but I'll keep those off my wish-list for the time being. I don't want the manufacturers to think I'm being unreasonable. High-DPI and large form-factor seem reasonable for 2014. I don't like the bezels between monitors in a multi-monitor configuration. I don't like the low-DPI of my 30" monitors. And I certainly don't like the price of the Dell U3011. When you say you know people who can't handle a 30" monitor, do you mean that? They would refuse to use a 30" even if they were given one? I've only met a few people who are of that particular disposition, and I personally consider them odd. It's a weird self-flagellation or quasi-Luddism. In my experience, most people don't deal with 30" monitors because they have been effectively fixed at over $1,100 for the past 8 years, only recently being disrupted by the Koreans and Chinese. From that perspective, where a small 1080 monitor can be had for a couple hundred bucks, it required a special type of enthusiast to pay the steep premium for 30" displays. But it looks that we're finally getting some changes in desktop displays, and I consider this positive progress toward what I would consider an ideal. To reiterate what I've said elsewhere, I want desktop computing to use nearly-immersive display technology, and I think this is more realistic in the mid-term than VR goggles. But to be absolutely clear, I consider 30" too small for desktop computing today.
- seiji 13y ago
  they have been effectively fixed That's a big part of the preference dynamic too. The price per resolution got stuck and didn't budge above 27" for years. Hopefully one day I'll be happy with four 50" 8K screens.
- rschmitty 13y ago
  I hear you on the bezels, however I like the wrap around effect multiple portrait monitors give over 1 big flat monitor Curved high dpi 50" please!
  - bhauer 13y ago
    > Curved high dpi 50" please! Exactly! If I could have all my wish-list items in desktop computing, it would include a large, concave, high-DPI, OLED display with mouse and gesture input.

by seiji 13y ago

50" for my desktop. What? Most people I know can't even handle the current 30" monitors. It feels nicer having two 27" monitors from a not-grossly-exceeding-peripheral-vision viewpoint.

jfb 13y ago

Different strokes.

clord 13y ago

I like my 30", and wish for more (4 side-by-side windows!). I suspect people who don't like big monitors tend to make their windows fullscreen instead of keeping them content-sized. If you think in windows instead of maximized screens, 50" is superior to 54" split in two. It comes down to the artificial split down the middle which limits where you can stick your windows.

seiji 13y ago
The artificial split limit is a benefit for me. Helps self organize things. Watch a movie on the left screen, web browse on the right screen. Keynote in the left screen, reference materials in the right screen, etc.
- wmf 13y ago
  I find that a single big monitor with a tiling window manager gives the same benefit but is more flexible.
bhauer 13y ago
Actually, I would not want to fully-maximize much on a 50+" desktop display, except when I lapse into a pure-consumption mental state. More to the point, I want an immersive, uninterrupted display surface. The bezels in a multi-monitor configuration just serve to annoy me by wasting space on my desk and in my field of view.

HNaTTY 13y ago

I own the 50" Seiki and I use it as a desktop monitor. I need to modify my desk so I can move it further back but I'm getting used to the size. The lag due to 30hZ is a big drawback, my mousing accuracy is noticeably lower, but I can live with that. What I cannot live with is the fact that the monitor goes blank and then re-detects the HDMI signal all the time -- perhaps 25 times in the first few minutes and then once every 5-15 minutes afterwards. I'm using the HDMI port on my Intel Haswell board and have updated drivers and the Seiki firmware, and still get this issue. Seiki support is bad, and lots of people have this issue. They specifically released a firmware update that is supposed to resolve this but it doesn't help me. Perhaps another brand of graphics card would help but currently it's broken.

bhauer 13y ago
The HDMI re-detection flaw happens on my wife's 39" Seiki on HDMI 1 and 3 as well. But using the HDMI 2 input, that does not happen. If you haven't already done so, try using the other two HDMI inputs to see if the problem goes away.
rschmitty 13y ago
If you need to move it further back you are essentially shrinking your monitor size and you could have instead purchased a smaller monitor and kept the same distance
- nitrogen 13y ago
  It doesn't feel the same. Unless one is nearsighted and/or crosseyed, it's easier to focus and converge on a more distant object. It also provides for a lot more desk space in front of the monitor.
  - seiji 13y ago
    I'm holding up 27" monitors with this cheap little thing: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082808&p_id=5401&seq=1&format=2 http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10828&cs_id=... Plenty of free desk space! (Also, in the pro-sub-30" argument: it's difficult finding affordable movable arms and mounts for 30"+ monitors)

bhauer 13y ago

Like jfb says, different strokes. I use multiple 30" monitors on my two workstations and I would prefer a single 50" display. My wife's Seiki has more raw pixels than two of my 30" monitors. I admit that an ideal 50" display would be OLED and concave, but I'll keep those off my wish-list for the time being. I don't want the manufacturers to think I'm being unreasonable. High-DPI and large form-factor seem reasonable for 2014. I don't like the bezels between monitors in a multi-monitor configuration. I don't like the low-DPI of my 30" monitors. And I certainly don't like the price of the Dell U3011. When you say you know people who can't handle a 30" monitor, do you mean that? They would refuse to use a 30" even if they were given one? I've only met a few people who are of that particular disposition, and I personally consider them odd. It's a weird self-flagellation or quasi-Luddism. In my experience, most people don't deal with 30" monitors because they have been effectively fixed at over $1,100 for the past 8 years, only recently being disrupted by the Koreans and Chinese. From that perspective, where a small 1080 monitor can be had for a couple hundred bucks, it required a special type of enthusiast to pay the steep premium for 30" displays. But it looks that we're finally getting some changes in desktop displays, and I consider this positive progress toward what I would consider an ideal. To reiterate what I've said elsewhere, I want desktop computing to use nearly-immersive display technology, and I think this is more realistic in the mid-term than VR goggles. But to be absolutely clear, I consider 30" too small for desktop computing today.

seiji 13y ago
they have been effectively fixed That's a big part of the preference dynamic too. The price per resolution got stuck and didn't budge above 27" for years. Hopefully one day I'll be happy with four 50" 8K screens.
rschmitty 13y ago
I hear you on the bezels, however I like the wrap around effect multiple portrait monitors give over 1 big flat monitor Curved high dpi 50" please!
- bhauer 13y ago
  > Curved high dpi 50" please! Exactly! If I could have all my wish-list items in desktop computing, it would include a large, concave, high-DPI, OLED display with mouse and gesture input.