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Looks pretty wasteful. I prefer how it currently looks on my machine: http://i.imgur.com/PvlTZ3k.png http://i.imgur.com/PvlTZ3k.png My tabs can get as small a

by ahoge 13y ago

Looks pretty wasteful. I prefer how it currently looks on my machine: http://i.imgur.com/PvlTZ3k.png http://i.imgur.com/PvlTZ3k.png My tabs can get as small as the pinned ones on the left (which is the default behavior of every other browser). There used to be a about:config setting for minimum tab width, but one(!) Firefox developer decided to remove it, because: "Users can override this using userChrome.css if they absolutely want it. I don't think the prefs are worth it."[1] Now I have to use a custom user chrome CSS file and disable the tab animations to get the same effect. I really hope this pointless update won't make me jump through a dozen hoops again. I'm tired of it. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574654 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574654

bcj 13y ago
I also use a very minimal setup (http://imgur.com/NoCafoH http://imgur.com/NoCafoH). On OSX, Australis will actually be thinner (once they fix https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=938985 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=938985) because the window buttons are now on the same level as the tabs.
- super_mario 13y ago
  Firefox 25 is currently quite good (with Pentadactyl I hide the address and search bar altogether) http://imgur.com/pSzvcAi http://imgur.com/pSzvcAi This update will make it worse it seems and waste more vertical space (apart from the really ugly aliased curved tabs).
  - rizumu 13y ago
    Checkout the pentadactyl plugin "buftabs" for maximum vertical space and a friendly tab bar: http://www.leighbicknell.com/pentadactyl-setup/ http://www.leighbicknell.com/pentadactyl-setup/
    - super_mario 13y ago
      Thanks. I don't know this existed. Can you control the width of the tabs? Right now the URL in the tab is clipped, which can be dangerous and makes you susceptible to fishing attacks when you browse casually.
  - bcj 13y ago
    I could never get used to not having an address bar. I'm jealous. The good news is that if you don't like the new look of firefox, you don't need to see it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemer...
    - super_mario 13y ago
      You still have "an address" bar. You type `o` and start typing to search for history, bookmarks or enter new URL all in unified list. Usually a few chars + TAB is enough. This unified list pops from the bottom of the browser window and it respects your color scheme as well. Of course there is `s` command to search any of your installed search providers and you can do all of this in new tab, window etc. Pentadactyl is what keeps me using Firefox. When that stops working, it will take me back to stone age when it comes to speed of navigating and researching content online.
SwellJoe 13y ago
I agree on this old UI failure...I thought for a moment it had been reverted, but then realized I had installed the Custom Tab Width add-on. The realization brought me back to my own extreme frustration with coming back to Firefox and finding this behavior being the default and not easily changed. I'm generally OK with a lot of stuff being in add-ons. But, this one is not one of those things. I really don't think I should have to install a plugin to decide not to have a scrolling tab bar (I hate the scrolling tab bar).
- girvo 13y ago
  And I don't mind it! Truly, I don't really care about a scrolling tab bar or not. I do hate how Safari handles it though... My point is that Firefox is great in that you can at least fix that! I've yet to find a way in Safari :'(
xatnys 13y ago
Going to have to concur here. Unfortunately it appears that Australis presently isn't targeting those who change their userchrome whether by addon or directly. I think the design looks good, I just hope that it will be given the same amount of customization freedom Firefox enjoys pre-Australis. My Nightly: http://i.imgur.com/1oPRtU2.png http://i.imgur.com/1oPRtU2.png I expect significant breakage tomorrow / later today.
geitiegg 13y ago
Australis displays at least 17 tabs before expanding into the tab-scroll view when full screen, which is more than I'd typically have open at a time anyway. http://i.imgur.com/8JIwdgh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8JIwdgh.jpg Tab-scoll, to me, makes a lot of sense as it prevents any confusion over the content of the tabs, especially when those tabs lack favicons: in Chrome, you simply get a blank page icon when the scroll bar overflows. The only downside to Australis for me so far has been the removal of the "thin" address bars/small icon sets, there is no longer an option within Firefox to enable them, as far as I know.
- ahoge 13y ago
  > the removal of the "thin" address bars/small icon sets Oh, man. :/
Dylan16807 13y ago
Well, I have tiny tabs and I just updated. The active tab obscures the favicons of the ones next to it, and the lines between tabs are in the wrong spot. But it works.
keeperofdakeys 13y ago
To be honest, I prefer having a scrolling tab pane, instead of tabs getting so small you can't read their text (I have quite a few tabs open). It should definitely be a user config option though. You might also want to look into Stylish, this is a firefox addon that allows you to add custom CSS, and apply it without restarting.

by ahoge 13y ago

bcj 13y ago

I also use a very minimal setup (http://imgur.com/NoCafoH http://imgur.com/NoCafoH). On OSX, Australis will actually be thinner (once they fix https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=938985 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=938985) because the window buttons are now on the same level as the tabs.

super_mario 13y ago
Firefox 25 is currently quite good (with Pentadactyl I hide the address and search bar altogether) http://imgur.com/pSzvcAi http://imgur.com/pSzvcAi This update will make it worse it seems and waste more vertical space (apart from the really ugly aliased curved tabs).
- rizumu 13y ago
  Checkout the pentadactyl plugin "buftabs" for maximum vertical space and a friendly tab bar: http://www.leighbicknell.com/pentadactyl-setup/ http://www.leighbicknell.com/pentadactyl-setup/
  - super_mario 13y ago
    Thanks. I don't know this existed. Can you control the width of the tabs? Right now the URL in the tab is clipped, which can be dangerous and makes you susceptible to fishing attacks when you browse casually.
- bcj 13y ago
  I could never get used to not having an address bar. I'm jealous. The good news is that if you don't like the new look of firefox, you don't need to see it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemer...
  - super_mario 13y ago
    You still have "an address" bar. You type `o` and start typing to search for history, bookmarks or enter new URL all in unified list. Usually a few chars + TAB is enough. This unified list pops from the bottom of the browser window and it respects your color scheme as well. Of course there is `s` command to search any of your installed search providers and you can do all of this in new tab, window etc. Pentadactyl is what keeps me using Firefox. When that stops working, it will take me back to stone age when it comes to speed of navigating and researching content online.

SwellJoe 13y ago

I agree on this old UI failure...I thought for a moment it had been reverted, but then realized I had installed the Custom Tab Width add-on. The realization brought me back to my own extreme frustration with coming back to Firefox and finding this behavior being the default and not easily changed. I'm generally OK with a lot of stuff being in add-ons. But, this one is not one of those things. I really don't think I should have to install a plugin to decide not to have a scrolling tab bar (I hate the scrolling tab bar).

girvo 13y ago
And I don't mind it! Truly, I don't really care about a scrolling tab bar or not. I do hate how Safari handles it though... My point is that Firefox is great in that you can at least fix that! I've yet to find a way in Safari :'(

xatnys 13y ago

Going to have to concur here. Unfortunately it appears that Australis presently isn't targeting those who change their userchrome whether by addon or directly. I think the design looks good, I just hope that it will be given the same amount of customization freedom Firefox enjoys pre-Australis. My Nightly: http://i.imgur.com/1oPRtU2.png http://i.imgur.com/1oPRtU2.png I expect significant breakage tomorrow / later today.

geitiegg 13y ago

Australis displays at least 17 tabs before expanding into the tab-scroll view when full screen, which is more than I'd typically have open at a time anyway. http://i.imgur.com/8JIwdgh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8JIwdgh.jpg Tab-scoll, to me, makes a lot of sense as it prevents any confusion over the content of the tabs, especially when those tabs lack favicons: in Chrome, you simply get a blank page icon when the scroll bar overflows. The only downside to Australis for me so far has been the removal of the "thin" address bars/small icon sets, there is no longer an option within Firefox to enable them, as far as I know.

ahoge 13y ago
> the removal of the "thin" address bars/small icon sets Oh, man. :/

Dylan16807 13y ago

Well, I have tiny tabs and I just updated. The active tab obscures the favicons of the ones next to it, and the lines between tabs are in the wrong spot. But it works.

keeperofdakeys 13y ago

To be honest, I prefer having a scrolling tab pane, instead of tabs getting so small you can't read their text (I have quite a few tabs open). It should definitely be a user config option though. You might also want to look into Stylish, this is a firefox addon that allows you to add custom CSS, and apply it without restarting.