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Bloomberg News Suspends Reporter Whose Article on China Was Not Published
- r0h1n 13y agoInterestingly while Bloomberg suspended this reporter; prepares to lay off 50 people [1]; and possibly shutter its investigations division [2], [3], there is "good" news too: 'NewCo', the Pierre Omidyar-Glenn Greenwald news venture just brought on board NYU's Jay Rosen. >> Out of the press box and onto the field - http://pressthink.org/2013/11/newco/ http://pressthink.org/2013/11/newco/ As Bill Bishop (one of the best 'China experts' on Twitter) recently said: "Perhaps the new omidyar news venture can hire some of the excellent Bloomberg journalists in the projects and investigations team" https://twitter.com/niubi/status/401645221022142464 https://twitter.com/niubi/status/401645221022142464 ============== [1] http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303531204579204372517369240-lMyQjAxMTAzMDEwNzExNDcyWj http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303... [2] https://twitter.com/niubi/status/401618179878686721 https://twitter.com/niubi/status/401618179878686721 [3] https://twitter.com/niubi/status/401618756192858112 https://twitter.com/niubi/status/401618756192858112
- genericacct 13y agoConsidering they're also pushing BTC to no end -AND- they've been caught reading their customers' communication with no authorization you can draw your own conclusion about about bloomberg's integrity as a news organization.
- doe88 13y agoChina is now such a big market and a big power that every industries, countries downplay any criticism. I think one of the biggest example is Hollywood, it has long gone the time where there was movies on the Tibet, now Hollywood is even making special versions of its movies to include few minutes with chinese actors (see Iron Man 3).
- tezmc 13y agoWasn't it similar with Japan in the eighties?
- camus2 13y agoThe difference is Japan had it's own industry right from the start,it was its way,like Germany to be proud again after WW2. It was not american brands manifacturing goods in Japan, it was Japan copying US products and selling them at a cheaper price, with an acceptable quality.
- leokun 13y agoChina has its own quality brands. Lenovo comes to mind. Lenovos are probably some of the best laptops out there.
- jonknee 13y agoPurchased from an American company though (IBM). Are there any home grown Chinese brands that are seen as quality?
- welly 13y agoChamonix View Cameras (http://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/ http://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/) are stunning and incredibly well made. All I can think of off the top of my head.
- dublinben 13y agoOppo is the undisputed quality leader in BluRay players.
- crdoconnor 13y agoHuawei make a lot of good stuff nowadays.
- vidarh 13y agoXiaomi springs to mind, though they're not marketed much outside of China (high end, $500+ Android phones)
- camus2 13y agoIt has been this way for 10 years already. Nobody's complaining about China anymore in the mass media or hollywood, the whole western economy relies on china's manufacturing capabilities. Good for china , bad for most of us, because there is a hidden cost to all these cheap stuffs , it's called debt. We could build stuff so people can actually afford it, instead of working at McDonalds or Walmart for a minimum wage, but it's not profitable enough in a world of short term profit.
- icebraining 13y agoWe could build stuff so people can actually afford it What "stuff" are you talking about? Manufacturing? Because the US actually makes a lot of "stuff", it just doesn't need people to do it, thanks to a lot of engineers like us who have automated it to hell.
- LekkoscPiwa 13y agoexamples? Could you list 5 products with "made in the USA" label that are world wide famous and sold globally?
- xradionut 13y agoDoes that include mass media, software or weapons systems?
- wtvanhest 13y agoPlease take a look at this link. It is definitely "biased" but still accurate. The US is still a major manufacturing hub. Manufacturing makes up 11.9% of US GDP. http://www.nam.org/Statistics-And-Data/Facts-About-Manufacturing/Landing.aspx http://www.nam.org/Statistics-And-Data/Facts-About-Manufactu...
- selectodude 13y agoBoeing 777, Tesla Model S, Microsoft Windows, Intel Core i7, Caterpillar construction equipment. That's just 5 I could think of off the top of my head. Tried to mix it up with regards to industries too.
- PhasmaFelis 13y agoIIRC, the extra Chinese footage in Iron Man 3 was done entirely by the Chinese distributor. Hollywood had nothing to do with it, and even Chinese audiences thought it was an embarrassment. But the rest of your point is accurate, yes.
- lifeisstillgood 13y agoDid I miss the Chinese actors? You are not thinking of Ben Kingsley surely? edit: various pointless teenager-y references to characters redacted now moocow has pointed out what I missed. Weird
- moocowduckquack 13y agoDid I miss the Chinese actors? Yes, they were not in the version you saw. http://kotaku.com/why-many-in-china-hate-iron-man-3s-chinese-version-486840429 http://kotaku.com/why-many-in-china-hate-iron-man-3s-chinese...
- lifeisstillgood 13y agoWow.... That's really, odd.
- gohrt 13y ago> There's also this extra long shot of Dr. Wu awkwardly pouring a glass of Yili brand Chinese milk. I though that lactose intolerance was so widespread in China that it wouldn't be a product for mass-market advertising.
- strlen 13y agoCouple of things: 1) There are many lactose-free milk drinks -- from literally "lactose free milk" (milk with lactose removed) to any kind of kefir/yogurt like products. 2) Being lactose intolerant doesn't mean sudden death upon drinking products that contain lactose. In most cases, it means "generic upset stomach" symptoms (that could have any number of causes -- e.g., is it the lactose in the latte, the coffee in the latter, or is it lack of sleep?) with moderate lactose intake or very few or no symptoms when lactose intake is only occasional. (I'm lactose intolerant, but I didn't actually know this until recently.)
- frank_boyd 13y agoForget the "media". Drop your stuff at WikiLeaks.org
- mjolk 13y agoYes, that's sage advice. Let me call all my non-internet-obsessed friends and family and tell them to only get their news from a single website.
- muuh-gnu 13y agoEnd users dont get their news from Wikileaks directly. What Wikileaks does is breaking the ice by publishing something that everybody else wouldnt touch, and keeping it in the open. Once Wikileaks took all the risk and blame, traditional risk averse media can jump on the bandwagon claming "It wasn't us" and serve the news to the end users.
- frank_boyd 13y agoYes, kind of, actually: If our media are too corrupt, then we need to create new ones that work better and change our habits. Submission to corruption can not be a mid- or long-term solution.
- mjolk 13y agoWhy does Wikileaks get to skip your filter? And who is talking about submission to corruption?
- coldtea 13y agoAnd lose legal protection/funds from a news outlet AND a salary as a journalist.
- lucb1e 13y agoSite gives DNS errors for me (Netherlands), but it seems I'm able to ping it(?!). Anyone else with trouble?
- Fuxy 13y agoAren't they just ignoring the important things in order to remain in China. If they're not going to report on meaningful things what is the purpose of them still being there then? I suspect it's money but that just confirms my suspicion of them not being real journalists.
- jonknee 13y agoYes, Bloomberg the news outlet has no purpose there if they can't report on what's going on. However, Bloomberg the terminal subscription seller (e.g. nearly all the revenue that Bloomberg makes) can remain in China and continue to make money. The market is too large to ignore, at least for Bloomberg.
- legutierr 13y agoIsn't one reason that people subscribe to the terminals that they get unfiltered access to the Bloomberg news feed? I know that market data is the primary benefit, but isn't timely access to potentially market-moving news stories a significant secondary benefit? If they start pulling punches in cases like this, how much can you trust the accuracy and completeness of news being delivered over the terminals?
- fargo 13y agono, the terminal and the news are unrelated. the main reason to subscribe to the terminal are messaging and data.
- JackFr 13y agoIndeed -- the news organization is a loss leader to sell terminals.
- alphaBetaGamma 13y agoI believe that as a few years ago, Bloomberg had zero terminals in china. I may be wrong, and thing may have changed, but I don't think that china is a big source of revenue for Bloomberg. Of course, I'm not saying that it is not a big potential source of revenue.
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- moocowduckquack 13y agoYou obviously haven't bothered to read the article then. What really is the point of putting in the effort of commenting on something, when you cannot be arsed to put in the effort to comprehend it in the first place.
- typhonic 13y agoI read it and understood it. You are wrong.
- moocowduckquack 13y agoReally? That must be why the comment is still there.
- confluence 13y agoThere's was a certain point in my transformation from an optimist to a pessimist where I was just so angry. I was angry at news organizations for not having the balls to fight for their readers. I was angry at all the myths and lies I was fed, from meritocracy, to religion, to honor and loyalty. I was angry at businesspeople for rigging the game, and I was angry at politicians for helping them. I was angry at myself for believing and trusting in what I was told. I was just angry at everyone. And it was at this point that many youth would've become militarized, thinking that revolution was the answer. I did too. That is until I realized that revolutionaries are no different. They're just more of the same; people telling more lies to fuck over more people so that they can drive their precious fucking Mercedes past homeless shelters and slums. I'm still angry, but now when I read the latest bit of depressing news I just seem to laugh. The NSA spied on everyone? Good luck filtering that river of shit for useful intel guys. JPMorgan bribed the daughter of the Chinese prime minister? Haha investment bankers are such whores. Finance papers are too pussy to investigate totalitarian regimes? I think a new tagline is in order: All the news that's fit to print ... money. I call this coping strategy the John Stewart method. I think it's because nothing really surprises me anymore. I've just reached peak cynicism. So nowadays I just try to make light of the absurd brutality that is the world that we live in, because doing otherwise just seems pointless. All the world is a farce. /rant PS: I'm not a conspiracy nut or anything like that. I'm just disappointed with the local incentive driven actions that some people take at the expense of society at large some of the time.
- xradionut 13y agoPeak cynicism? I like the phrase, but you aren't quite there yet. The zenith of peak cynicism is when you wouldn't be surprised if the .01% (or powers that may be) decided one day to reduce the world population through NBC warfare just to maintain their power.
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- cinquemb 13y agoI feel you. Personally, If I want something to change, I know I'm going to have to do something about it myself. All else I can just try to prepare to do the future by taking baby steps and staying informed/in the loop. I try to keep my head down and work on my shit.
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- bradleyjg 13y agoFunny how news organizations don't like when employees leak internal information. I'm all for whistleblowing, but what great public interest is served by publishing e.g. the colors of the new IPhone before it's announced? Certainly less important interests than that served by knowing Bloomberg News is kowtowing to the Chinese government.
- typhonic 13y agoWow, what lousy grammar for a Times article! It might be different if this were breaking news, but the article refers to an earlier story The New York Post.
- Amadou 13y agoReminds me of this recent incident where the Whitehouse appears to have caved to chinese pressure to dis-invite a reporter. http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/china-blocked-access-to-white-house-news-conference-with-xi-reporter-says/ http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/china-blocked-ac...
- lifeisstillgood 13y agoA reporter for Bloomberg News ... which employees for the company said had been killed for political reasons by top Bloomberg editors, Is it just me or did anyone else read the first paragraph and wonder if top Bloomberg editors assassinated a reporter ? Tough newsroom. Edit: ellipsis
- codeka 13y agoI got about half way through the article before I realized they were talking about the story being killed, not the reporter. The bit where they say he went up to HR's office and never returned was particularly worrying, until I realized they'd only fired him...
- yangtheman 13y agoI had the exact same reaction.
- tpurves 13y agoThis is an extremely awkwardly constructed first sentence. Top Bloomberg editors were killing Chinese workers??: "A reporter for Bloomberg News who worked on an unpublished article about China, which employees for the company said had been killed for political reasons by top Bloomberg editors, was suspended last week by managers. "
- williamle8300 13y agoNoble of NYtimes to publish article. But, are we forgetting about one TPP treaty which they sponsored?